Post by: BoldJava on October 27, 2012, 06:36:55 AM
Post here to sign up to take a chance on winning the KONE (Gen 3). I am sold on it and haven't used a paper filter in who knows how long. I put it right into my Chemex 8-cup or my Hario V60 when I just want one cup. Fabulous results but why take my word -- try it yourself.
Cost to participate: $6.48
Time to use? One week and ship it on.
Members needed for the road show? 10
Who wins? I have Jim Spain's wife Patti pick a random number. That person drops to last and gets to keep the filter.
So who is in? I will order and send to the 1st person on the list when we have 10 members in. Send no money now -- wait until we hit the needed number of members.
Sign up:
2. FFFolks, paid
3
4. Richdel, paid
5. Yakster, paid
9. Woodstock, paid
10. ReddyK, paid
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6. Tyme, paid
Post by: BozemanEric on October 27, 2012, 06:42:30 AM
Post by: BoldJava on October 27, 2012, 06:44:00 AM
I would have been intrested, but as per everyone's suggestions I ordered one from SM that arrived two days ago.
Once you have a good chance to play with it, add your "1st look" over here: http://www.greencoffeebuyingclub.com/index.php?topic=10664.0 (http://www.greencoffeebuyingclub.com/index.php?topic=10664.0)
Post by: J.Jirehs Roaster on October 27, 2012, 07:05:04 AM
Post by: fffolks on October 27, 2012, 07:27:37 AM
Post by: dfluke on October 27, 2012, 10:57:10 AM
This is a really cool idea, and I hope to get in on some additional offerings in the future. Thanks for putting it together.
Post by: BoldJava on October 27, 2012, 11:36:05 AM
This will be my first roadshow, and I'm really excited about trying this. Do I pay now or when we have 10 members?
This is a really cool idea, and I hope to get in on some additional offerings in the future. Thanks for putting it together.
See 1st post:
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So who is in? I will order and send to the 1st person on the list when we have 10 members in. Send no money now -- wait until we hit the needed number of members.
Post by: dfluke on October 27, 2012, 11:53:52 AM
Post by: ecc on October 27, 2012, 12:22:48 PM
I like the look of version 2 better, and as clumsy as I am have never done harm with any of the sharp or pointy bits. Version 3 has a much wider acceptable grind range, and I think I like the effect of a slightly coarser grind than is really practical in v2.
Post by: Richdel on October 27, 2012, 12:42:40 PM
Thanks!
Richdel
Post by: tyme on October 27, 2012, 10:30:15 PM
Post by: bekeld on October 28, 2012, 08:27:24 AM
Post by: BoldJava on October 28, 2012, 08:28:05 AM
Yup, add me to the list. I have v.1 as well. The pointy end had drawn blood and was buried in the cupboard. Probably need to sell it to someone less clumsy.
Iowa is in.
Post by: milowebailey on October 28, 2012, 08:30:55 AM
Post by: BoldJava on October 28, 2012, 08:32:49 AM
Post by: woodstock on October 28, 2012, 06:48:59 PM
Post by: BoldJava on October 28, 2012, 06:56:47 PM
Post by: ReddyK on October 29, 2012, 05:58:18 AM
Post by: BoldJava on October 29, 2012, 06:05:08 AM
Folks, send $6.48 to BoldJava at sidewalkmystic dot com. Thanks.
B|Java
Post by: jspain on October 29, 2012, 01:03:08 PM
Post by: BoldJava on October 29, 2012, 01:09:13 PM
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1. Wild Bill (J Jirehs Rooster)
2. FFFolks
3. DFluke
4. Richdel
5. Yakster
7. Bekeld
8. Milo
9. Woodstock
10. ReddyK
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6. Tyme
Winner? It's about Tyme.
Wild Bill, send along your address and I will have it sent to you.
B|Java
Post by: tyme on October 29, 2012, 01:47:46 PM
Thank you to everyone and of course Patty!
Post by: BoldJava on October 30, 2012, 02:53:09 PM
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Post by: BoldJava on October 31, 2012, 06:35:06 AM
Out for delivery.
Post by: J.Jirehs Roaster on October 31, 2012, 08:00:23 AM
<Knock, knock, knock, Mr. Brown here>.
Out for delivery.
tracking says I should be making coffee in it thursday morning??
Post by: J.Jirehs Roaster on November 03, 2012, 08:44:41 PM
I need an address FFFolks.. heading your way in a few days
Post by: J.Jirehs Roaster on November 04, 2012, 03:31:46 PM
Saturday I made morning coffee in the usual way with a paper filter and my wife loved it.. later in the morning when a friend stopped by I used the Gen3 (same coffee) the friend loved it and Denise thought it was a different coffee.. this morning I used the Gen2 (same coffee) and their was definitely more body to the coffee and more mud in the bottom..
I have an address and should get this on its way Monday, Tuesday at the latest
Post by: fffolks on November 08, 2012, 02:23:09 PM
Post by: fffolks on November 10, 2012, 05:03:08 AM
The plan today, after dialing in the grind, was to let the Kone 3/Chemex face off against my current favorite pour over method which is the large Beehouse and one of Nathan's organic cotton filters. The coffee today was the Mexican COE from B|Java roasted to a c+ with a 3 day rest.
Both methods had about 3:30 total time including bloom. They both got 25g coffee to 400g of 203`water from the Bonavita variable temp kettle.
The Kone3 cup had a little more body, but in all other aspects the Beehouse/cotton filter was the winner. It had more sweetness and acidity and a better over all balance. The Kone3 cup was a little flat and somewhat dull.
I will spend the rest of the weekend trying to coax a better cup out of the Kone3. Any suggestions for dose or technique are welcomed.
On a side note, the Mexican COE is awesome!Thanks for another great coffee B|Java.
Post by: BoldJava on November 10, 2012, 05:32:54 AM
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I will spend the rest of the weekend trying to coax a better cup out of the Kone3. Any suggestions for dose or technique are welcomed.
On a side note, the Mexican COE is awesome!Thanks for another great coffee B|Java.
The Beehouse is the most forgiving pourover set-up out there. Good choice.
RE: Mexican COE #3. I will grab some more for the club in lieu of JBM/Gesha for Christmas/holiday roasting for members. It seems to be popular. I want to roast some tomorrow with the COEs from Costa Rica and see which I prefer.
RE: Pours. If you do have a fine tip (gooseneck) on a kettle, use a 30 second bloom with about 4 oz of water. Let the coffee open up. Then, use a tight, circular pour (1-2" max), where you keep a "gentle cloud" of a bloom going. I use a continuous pour but lots have good success with a pulse (start and stop). I use 64 grams of coffee for a quart of finished coffee with the KONE/Chemex.
Taste preferences differ. The cloth is filtering out both oils and proteins. Your palate might well prefer that type of cup of coffee.
Good luck!
Post by: fffolks on November 13, 2012, 03:29:14 PM
I am shipping it off to dfluke tomorrow morning.
Post by: BoldJava on November 13, 2012, 04:04:03 PM
... I saved $60 and better yet, I was saved from seeing that look on my wife's face when I brought another coffee toy into the house. :)
...
Purpose fulfilled.
Post by: dfluke on November 24, 2012, 07:57:50 PM
The first time, my coffee was horribly overextracted, as I used too fine of a grind. I think it was close to 6 minutes total.
I don't know if I ever got the grind just right, but I noticed this device made the coffee bloom a heck of a lot longer, and I wasn't sure if my water pouring technique was any good.
Overall, I could taste a significant difference between the kone and a paper filter v60 or clever dripper brew. I liked it better, but found the last couple drinks unpalatable. I'm just not a fan of "leftovers" in the cup at the end. One test I didn't have time for was a brew in the kone, followed by a pour through in a paper filter, but I dont think it would have done much.
I don't think I'm going to buy one, but the roadshow was totally worth it.
I'm not sure if since I was using a v60 size 3, where the kone didn't really fit in made any difference or not, but it was the best I had.
My next testing will be with aeropress regular and fine disks. I have the regular one branded under coava, but I'm looking forward to grabbing a fine filter to compare to the kone brews.
Post by: peter on December 09, 2012, 06:40:28 AM
I noted that the Gen 1 Kone had larger holes, the Gen 2 had smaller, evenly spaced Kones, and the Gen 3 had what looked like the same small holes, but with them spaced very close at the tip and then transitioning about half-way up to a wider spacing. The Gen 3 also has a silicon band on the rim and a blunt tip.
I haven't looked close enough to observe this visually, but notice it most mornings. I use 25g of coffee, and use just enough water to bloom/saturate the grounds and usually don't see any drips into the cup. But then as I add more water as the slurry goes up the sides of the Kone about a half inch, the speed of the drain-through noticeably increases.
Nice write-up Chris.
Post by: Richdel on December 09, 2012, 07:09:34 AM
Post by: bekeld on December 09, 2012, 09:57:37 AM
Post by: BoldJava on December 09, 2012, 10:04:34 AM
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Yakster, just send the KONE to Milo...
2. FFFolks, paid
3. DFluke, paid
4. Richdel, paid"
5. Yakster, paid
8. Milo, paid
9. Woodstock, paid
10. ReddyK, paid
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Winner:
6. Tyme, paid
Post by: Richdel on December 09, 2012, 03:49:39 PM
I brewed an 800ml/50g batch of Brazil Conquista this morning using a coarser grind—the same one I use for the BraZen with it's metal filter—and had a 6:30 pour time including a 45 second bloom.
Good, but a tad over-extracted, maybe. Need to grind coarser next time or bypass brew (pour based on time, then add water to the coffee to bring it down to the right concentration).
Read about adding the remainder of the water to the concentrate so that the pourover finishes at or around 4:00 mark. This was a major lightbulb moment for me, as it is the basis of the Aeropress process I follow each morning.
Needless to say, my pourover immediately had a significantly better quality in the cup. No more over extracted product. Enough so that I purchased a gooseneck kettle today to try and improve the cup a bit more.
Post by: milowebailey on December 21, 2012, 08:52:15 AM
Post by: milowebailey on December 31, 2012, 07:57:58 AM
Kone will be off to woodstock next.
Post by: BoldJava on December 31, 2012, 09:12:42 AM
... I have some macro photos of each of them that I'll post in the next few days. I'll likely be buying a gen 3 soon.
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Put them up with your Kaffa Forest cupping notes, Tiger.
B|Java
Post by: milowebailey on December 31, 2012, 09:31:12 AM
Dare I ask how the coffee I sent along with it fared? I can take it, fire away.Yakster
Thanks for sending those. I've only tried one of them, the Ethiopian and it was good, but I didn't take notes :). That was a week ago and the next day mrs milowebailey "cleaned up". She put all the small bags of coffee green and roasted that I brought to the cabin in a cookie jar... I just found them yesterday when I was looking for some green and asked her if she'd seen it. I'd forgotten those were with the Kone.....
I tried the Kone with Panama Geisha and the Atlas Kaffa sample. I just ran a Colombian through the Kone. I'll give the Musasa you sent a taste next.
Post by: woodstock on January 05, 2013, 06:37:37 PM
Thank you Milo.
The fun will have to wait until tomorrow morning after working at a pancake breakfast. :(
That will serve as motivation to serve up the pancakes.
Post by: woodstock on January 07, 2013, 06:25:07 PM
1) Milo, I need to move closer my family enjoyed both coffees.
2) It probably was luck or everyone's earlier input into creating the best brew, but each cup of coffee was very smooth.
3) It appears now the family is ready to move away from paper filters.
Post by: craigbooker on January 07, 2013, 09:36:49 PM
Post by: peter on January 07, 2013, 09:39:51 PM
Since we are talking pourover. I just got 8 cup Chemex and am trying to prioritize what I buy next. Scale or goose neck with temp readout?
You can do good pourovers w/o a scale, but you can't do good pours w/o a good spout. I doubt you need the temp readout either.
Post by: BozemanEric on January 07, 2013, 10:17:56 PM
Post by: staylor on January 08, 2013, 12:11:51 AM
Since we are talking pourover. I just got 8 cup Chemex and am trying to prioritize what I buy next. Scale or goose neck with temp readout?
You can do good pourovers w/o a scale, but you can't do good pours w/o a good spout. I doubt you need the temp readout either.
I don't know about that, Peter. I would buy a scale before I would buy a good spout, here's why...
- My 6 cup Chemex always sits on my scale. The chemex is glass, the kitchen countertops are granite, that's a bad combination. The scale protects the Chemex.
- Because my Chemex always sits on my scale, when it comes time to get some coffee going I turn on the scale, grab my Kone 2 and put it in the Chemex, tare the scale and then pour my whole beans into the Kone 2 until I get 23-24gms. The beans get poured into my grinder. The ground beans then get poured back into my Kone 2 which sits in the Chemex. I can pour an exact 50-60mg pre-infusion (whatever strikes my fancy that morning) and I can pour exactly to my 400mg end weight. Without a scale, all of this becomes guesswork and that means imprecise trends.
(Besides, scales cost $20, it's a no-brainer)
Post by: peter on January 08, 2013, 08:43:25 AM
Since we are talking pourover. I just got 8 cup Chemex and am trying to prioritize what I buy next. Scale or goose neck with temp readout?
You can do good pourovers w/o a scale, but you can't do good pours w/o a good spout. I doubt you need the temp readout either.
I don't know about that, Peter. I would buy a scale before I would buy a good spout, here's why...
- My 6 cup Chemex always sits on my scale. The chemex is glass, the kitchen countertops are granite, that's a bad combination. The scale protects the Chemex.
- Because my Chemex always sits on my scale, when it comes time to get some coffee going I turn on the scale, grab my Kone 2 and put it in the Chemex, tare the scale and then pour my whole beans into the Kone 2 until I get 23-24gms. The beans get poured into my grinder. The ground beans then get poured back into my Kone 2 which sits in the Chemex. I can pour an exact 50-60mg pre-infusion (whatever strikes my fancy that morning) and I can pour exactly to my 400mg end weight. Without a scale, all of this becomes guesswork and that means imprecise trends.
(Besides, scales cost $20, it's a no-brainer)
I guess I was assuming he already has a scale for weighing the beans. But if not, for sure, a scale (and a cotter pin for the kettle spout mod). I like your method, as it only requires one scale. I also like the idea of varying the amount for pre-infusion/bloom, since the idea is to fully saturate and that will vary with amount of coffee, etc.
I still think volume is a close enough measure for the water. If I put 14oz. in my kettle, there may be some loss to steam, and the grounds will absorb some, but IMHO those variables are small enough to not be detectable in the cup flavors.
Some of my resistance to scales for brewing pourovers is due to my method of brewing directly into my mug and not using a carafe, so much of my opinions won't carry over to most of youse guys.
Post by: Joe on March 07, 2018, 04:21:06 PM
I adjusted grind and water temp and got some good results, but in the end the cup it produces is just not for me. Thanks again to everyone who made this happen. I saved $60 and better yet, I was saved from seeing that look on my wife's face when I brought another coffee toy into the house. :)
I am shipping it off to dfluke tomorrow morning.
This has been my experience as well and I had the version 1 for the good part of a year. Compared side by side with any other filter/brew method....The results were never in favor of a Kone
Post by: RobertL on March 07, 2018, 05:21:48 PM
Post by: peter on March 07, 2018, 06:44:56 PM
Post by: Joe on March 07, 2018, 09:49:09 PM
8) ;D
Plus like poking a stick at Peter every once and while on his sore spots. LOL
Post by: Joe on March 07, 2018, 09:51:34 PM
Different strokes for different folks...
I know ;) just messing with you Peter, I knew it would smoke you out. Surprised Robert noticed though :D
Attached some photos of a $5 Kone killer...from uberzon
Post by: peter on March 08, 2018, 08:06:37 AM
I had no idea about the existence of the Uberzon, and love the looks of it.
And yet, I can't get myself to accept the opinion of the Uberzon coming from someone who doesn't even have the skillset to get a decent cup out of a Kone. ;D
Post by: Joe on March 08, 2018, 09:48:54 AM
Uberzon is a discount finder app for Amazon. So it might be a super expensive $15 but it goes on sale for like $5 and it lets you know. The brand is icosa actually.
Post by: peter on March 08, 2018, 11:04:18 AM
Don't get mad at Alan and slam him for not being able to taste the magic of the Kone ;D
Uberzon is a discount finder app for Amazon. So it might be a super expensive $15 but it goes on sale for like $5 and it lets you know. The brand is icosa actually.
Thanks, I'm going to look into that... maybe even start another traveling roadshow with it.
Post by: Joe on March 08, 2018, 11:09:55 AM
Don't get mad at Alan and slam him for not being able to taste the magic of the Kone ;D
Uberzon is a discount finder app for Amazon. So it might be a super expensive $15 but it goes on sale for like $5 and it lets you know. The brand is icosa actually.
Thanks, I'm going to look into that... maybe even start another traveling roadshow with it.
Yes! I want to really get the road shows going again. I know one guy stole a bunch of cigars an such and that really put a damper on the fun of the roadshows but I think we can maybe give it another go on cheaper items. This pour over is actually listed at $50 I bought it literally for $5 but there are several competetors that are basically the same thing for like $15
like these:
Post by: ptrmorton on March 08, 2018, 11:13:15 AM
Post by: Joe on March 08, 2018, 11:13:16 AM
Also if you haven't got one of these I highly recommend it for any pour over. Osaka is on my short list of amazing products consistently found cheap, I have not received any samples for review nor do I have any reason not to give a completely honest opinion of these products:
Post by: Joe on March 08, 2018, 11:16:12 AM
That is a great find Joe. I've been ignoring Uberzone as the products weren't very interesting lately. It may be worth some more time on it. Thanks.
Yeah actually I turned it off myself. My wife kept it going and found this and now I picked up snagshout and a couple others that basically do the same thing. But I have to give Uberzon it's props when it works.