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Title: Best auto drip coffeemaker with more than 40 ounce capacity
Post by: MGLloyd on September 09, 2018, 08:06:18 PM
I have a Capresso MT-500 that is on its last legs. I am looking for a replacement for when I don't want to use the presses or the Chemex.  I have been looking at the SCA-certified brewers and have not found one with more than 40 ounce capacity in a thermal carafe.  If the Bonavita had a larger capacity it would be perfect.  Is anyone aware of an auto drip with pre-infusion, brewing temp of 200-205 degrees and a capacity in excess of 40 ounces? 
Title: Re: Best auto drip coffeemaker with more than 40 ounce capacity
Post by: ptrmorton on September 09, 2018, 09:32:24 PM
I have a Bonavita BV1901TS.  I let it run for 50 seconds or so (pre and start of brew) and then throw in 10 oz  more of water.  The carafe can hold more than that.  It works great for me.
Title: Re: Best auto drip coffeemaker with more than 40 ounce capacity
Post by: 9Sbeans on September 10, 2018, 08:55:20 AM
A quick search on Amazon. If you find a better deal on other sites, please share.

OXO On Barista Brain 9 Cup Coffee Maker
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00YEYKK8U/ref=sspa_dk_detail_4?psc=1 (https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00YEYKK8U/ref=sspa_dk_detail_4?psc=1)

Bonavita BV1901TS Connoisseur 8-Cup One-Touch Coffee Maker Featuring Hanging Filter Basket and Thermal Carafe
https://www.amazon.com/Bonavita-BV1901TS-Connoisseur-One-Touch-Featuring/dp/B076PFMRGX (https://www.amazon.com/Bonavita-BV1901TS-Connoisseur-One-Touch-Featuring/dp/B076PFMRGX)

Breville BDC450BSS Precision Brewer Thermal Coffee Maker
https://www.amazon.com/Breville-BDC450BSS-Precision-Brewer-Thermal/dp/B078RQVQF1 (https://www.amazon.com/Breville-BDC450BSS-Precision-Brewer-Thermal/dp/B078RQVQF1)

Technivorm Moccamaster 39340 Coffee Brewer, Brushed Silver, 60 fl. oz.
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00G4KR3QE/ref=sspa_dk_detail_1?psc=1&pd_rd_i=B00G4KR3QE (https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00G4KR3QE/ref=sspa_dk_detail_1?psc=1&pd_rd_i=B00G4KR3QE)

Technivorm Moccamaster KBT 79112 Coffee Brewer, 40 oz, Polished Silver
https://www.amazon.com/Technivorm-Moccamaster-Coffee-Brewer-Polished/dp/B002S4DI2S (https://www.amazon.com/Technivorm-Moccamaster-Coffee-Brewer-Polished/dp/B002S4DI2S)
Title: Re: Best auto drip coffeemaker with more than 40 ounce capacity
Post by: MGLloyd on September 10, 2018, 12:20:43 PM
I eliminated the Technivorms from consideration due to the requirement that you manually stir the grounds half way through brewing to ensure even extraction.  For $ 300, you should not have to do that.

I cannot find the actual volume of the Oxo.  Since 'cup' is not a standard measurement for coffee makers, and I have seen 'cup' sizes ranging from 4 to 5 to 6 to 8 ounces, I am not sure how much 9 cups is.  I have tried to enlarge the online photos to look at the volume of the water tank markings without success.

The Breville looks to be on point with a 60 ounce capacity, albeit at $ 300. 
Title: Re: Best auto drip coffeemaker with more than 40 ounce capacity
Post by: Joe on September 10, 2018, 12:35:12 PM
I eliminated the Technivorms from consideration due to the requirement that you manually stir the grounds half way through brewing to ensure even extraction.  For $ 300, you should not have to do that.

I cannot find the actual volume of the Oxo.  Since 'cup' is not a standard measurement for coffee makers, and I have seen 'cup' sizes ranging from 4 to 5 to 6 to 8 ounces, I am not sure how much 9 cups is.  I have tried to enlarge the online photos to look at the volume of the water tank markings without success.

The Breville looks to be on point with a 60 ounce capacity, albeit at $ 300.

You don't have to do that for a technivorm, I have owned one or another for several years and yeah people do it, but since they started using the multiple hole design brew head it's unnecessary. I think Aaron likes to do something similar with his, but I never did.

OXO is the same volume as the technivorm even if its called 8 cup vs 10 cup. My preference on the list is the OXO brewer but it has it's own issues the drip stop doesn't work well half the time but sometimes it does. The brew is nice and the extra features are nice too, but you wont use half of them. I have a feeling that the simplicity of the technivorm is a better investment in the long run.

Bonavita is a great value and no shame if you don't want to plunk down $200+ but you can get used and slightly used technivorms for a good value. Bonavita is awkward with the lids and brewer heads etc... But I had one for several years and I would not hesitate to recommend it to 99.9% of people just wanting good coffee.

Brevielle seems like a 2nd teir brand to me I equate it to cuisinart and I realize that some people don't care but if I was considering a Breviele I would just get a black and decker from Home depot.
Title: Re: Best auto drip coffeemaker with more than 40 ounce capacity
Post by: Ascholten on September 10, 2018, 02:55:49 PM
I like stirring my TV because I like the mouth feel of a good meaty cup of coffee but it is absolutely NOT necessary.  What I actually do is turn the flow off, let the basket fill with water, stir then turn the flow on, let it drain into the pot, turn off, repeat 3 or 4 times until the water is brewed out.
I typically brew with a french press at home, when making coffee at work, I use my TV, so this is the Redneck French Press Method here :)
This is not necessary, you can brew a perfect cup without dorking around like I do on it.
The TV wand has multi holes that do a good job of soaking the grounds down.
If you are worried about not enough extraction, put warm or room temp water in .vs. cold water or even hot water, that thing will DUMP the water into there, trust me you won't have one worry about not enough water to extract the grounds.

Aaron
Title: Re: Best auto drip coffeemaker with more than 40 ounce capacity
Post by: MGLloyd on September 11, 2018, 07:48:18 AM
https://www.zojirushi.com/app/product/ecytc (https://www.zojirushi.com/app/product/ecytc)

Huh. They recently came out with a Zojirushi that has pre-infusion and a 50 ounce capacity.  This seems to tick a lot of boxes.
Title: Re: Best auto drip coffeemaker with more than 40 ounce capacity
Post by: mp on September 11, 2018, 02:53:48 PM
You may want to give this a gander:

https://www.nuwavecoffee.com/?ref_version=GOOGLECOFFEE-RESPONSIVE&gclid=EAIaIQobChMIk6Omhuaz3QIVy7bACh3wSQX2EAAYAiAAEgKrofD_BwE (https://www.nuwavecoffee.com/?ref_version=GOOGLECOFFEE-RESPONSIVE&gclid=EAIaIQobChMIk6Omhuaz3QIVy7bACh3wSQX2EAAYAiAAEgKrofD_BwE)

Enjoy!

 :)
Title: Re: Best auto drip coffeemaker with more than 40 ounce capacity
Post by: Joe on September 11, 2018, 03:01:02 PM
https://www.zojirushi.com/app/product/ecytc (https://www.zojirushi.com/app/product/ecytc)

Huh. They recently came out with a Zojirushi that has pre-infusion and a 50 ounce capacity.  This seems to tick a lot of boxes.

I don't know but their thermal stuff and rice makers are the best.
Title: Re: Best auto drip coffeemaker with more than 40 ounce capacity
Post by: stevea on September 12, 2018, 05:44:25 AM
Well - at >40oz you are up against a hard limitation, IMO.  The fault, dear Brutus, is not in our stars, But in coffee baskets.  Somewhere around 40+fl.oz you can't fit enough coffee into a cone that it won't make a mess *if* you have a really good water dispersion nozzle system.  I am not a fan of 'basket' shaped filters (either paper or metal-screen), but they can do considerably higher volume - maybe 60+ fl.oz.

I got a 'Breville Precision' unit a few months ago, and it has a lot of nice features - like pre-wetting the grounds, controlled delay, then make at controlled temps & flow rate (slo,med,fast), high quality thermal cafe, can do pour-overs.  I reviewed it briefly here somewhere, BUT after 'playing' with controls for a few weeks I settled on a temp, flow, pre-wetting time, etc close to their SCAA default, and have no need to ever tweak them again. This unit uses a heat-block&pump (yes, really) and they don't guarantee SCAA spec for the basket (maybe the water volume overwhelms their heater).  I haven't used the basket enough to say how it differs.

This breville makes a great cup - as good as the 3 Bonvitas I burned up, and the moccamaster I had for a year, and can use either a cone or basket - tho' I only use cones.

My old Capresso is still on the counter top for my wifes (ugh) decafe.   At the 'MAX' fill line it holds 50fl.oz, & they make great thermal carafes.  If you are lucky enough to get a Capresso that happens to hit good brew temperature - then they are just fine, tho 'IMO a slight notch below the others

When comparing the two, the Breville with 68g of grounds really dirties the paper cone to near the top edge, while the capresso  grounds only ride up the cone side less than an inch.   The pre-wetting and better water nozzle in the Breville seems to be the difference.  Breville is spec'ed at 40floz for cone & 60floz for basket, but  normally overload to 42floz cone.
--

So .. IMO if you really want 50-60 fl.oz of great coffee, you need to consider using a basket system, despite that the flow pattern is likely to be sub-optimal.  I'll suggest you consider ...
A Bunn with adjustable temps.   These are so fast you may not need the capacity, or the Breville Precision.

You probably know the decent cone machines, Moccamaster, Bonvita, Oxo, Breville - then a few new SCAA tested models.

Title: Re: Best auto drip coffeemaker with more than 40 ounce capacity
Post by: Badam on September 12, 2018, 10:16:02 AM
Go commercial and don't look back. I have a Bloomfield that spits out water at 200F + or - a couple degrees for the entirety of a 60oz+ pot, with a nice big basket that you won't overflow unless you like your coffee as strong as I do and try to brew 12-cups.

However, I can second that Zojirushi is a spectacular brand for breadmakers, hot water dispensers, thermal mugs, and rice cookers, either having owned one myself or through close friends.

Good Luck with your search!
Title: Re: Best auto drip coffeemaker with more than 40 ounce capacity
Post by: ptrmorton on September 12, 2018, 04:35:45 PM
Go commercial and don't look back. I have a Bloomfield that spits out water at 200F + or - a couple degrees for the entirety of a 60oz+ pot, with a nice big basket that you won't overflow unless you like your coffee as strong as I do and try to brew 12-cups.


Which Bloomfield do you have?
Title: Re: Best auto drip coffeemaker with more than 40 ounce capacity
Post by: Ascholten on September 12, 2018, 04:54:05 PM
My technivorn can do just fine with water flow rate.  No it does not make a huge mess, and who cares if the grounds make it to the top, as long as they don't make it over and to the bottom of your coffee pot.

Seriously, if you start with warm or even tapwater hot... hot water in the TV that thing will cycle it's water in a few minutes, I mean really fast.  You should have NO problem with insufficient wetting of the grounds in their 'cone'.  The only negative is that flow control or whatever you call it flapper on the bottom, it'sbasically shut / half open / open.  if they could make some sort of slide so you could actually set your flow thru rate that'd be an awesome thing.

Aaron
Title: Re: Best auto drip coffeemaker with more than 40 ounce capacity
Post by: Joe on September 12, 2018, 10:47:52 PM
FYI I believe we still have the best discount with newco products. Just mention you are with the green coffee buying club.
Title: Re: Best auto drip coffeemaker with more than 40 ounce capacity
Post by: brianmch on September 13, 2018, 06:33:50 AM
I picked up a newco several years ago.  It was pretty dang ugly, didn't brew at the right temp, and had a flat basket filter.  It was plug and play with no settings other than off/on.

I may have gotten the wrong one but I didn't see many options. 
Title: Re: Best auto drip coffeemaker with more than 40 ounce capacity
Post by: Badam on September 13, 2018, 06:48:55 AM
Go commercial and don't look back. I have a Bloomfield that spits out water at 200F + or - a couple degrees for the entirety of a 60oz+ pot, with a nice big basket that you won't overflow unless you like your coffee as strong as I do and try to brew 12-cups.


Which Bloomfield do you have?

Koffee King, I actually have three because I liked the first so much. That big heating element makes for a quick back to back brew time if I want to make alot for vacpots at work.
Title: Re: Best auto drip coffeemaker with more than 40 ounce capacity
Post by: MGLloyd on September 13, 2018, 07:27:07 AM
I bought the Zojirushi that I listed above.  $ 181.00 all told from Amazon. Delivery on Saturday.  I will post a report after I use it for a bit.
Title: Re: Best auto drip coffeemaker with more than 40 ounce capacity
Post by: peter on September 13, 2018, 07:51:44 AM
I bought the Zojirushi that I listed above.  $ 181.00 all told from Amazon. Delivery on Saturday.  I will post a report after I use it for a bit.

Yay!!!
Title: Re: Best auto drip coffeemaker with more than 40 ounce capacity
Post by: mp on September 13, 2018, 12:42:53 PM
FYI I believe we still have the best discount with newco products. Just mention you are with the green coffee buying club.

It may be a good time to re-evaluate the Newco. A lot of newer great coffee machines are now out. Just throwing it out there.

 :)
Title: Re: Best auto drip coffeemaker with more than 40 ounce capacity
Post by: Joe on September 13, 2018, 07:12:17 PM
FYI I believe we still have the best discount with newco products. Just mention you are with the green coffee buying club.

It may be a good time to re-evaluate the Newco. A lot of newer great coffee machines are now out. Just throwing it out there.

 :)

The "Newco" isn't made by Newco anymore. Newco is a commercial coffee machine company that makes models inline with other commercial coffee makers. I.e. Bunn, Curtis,etc...I have two of their pour over airpot Brewers that have been in service for about 10 years without a hitch. I also have a Bunn commercial lpg grinder and I have seen Chris' commercial ditting grinder in action. All the companies make products that compete main difference that I have seen is price. If price is the determining factor Newco is going to win on a new purchase with our discount,
Title: Re: Best auto drip coffeemaker with more than 40 ounce capacity
Post by: Joe on September 13, 2018, 07:14:51 PM
I bought the Zojirushi that I listed above.  $ 181.00 all told from Amazon. Delivery on Saturday.  I will post a report after I use it for a bit.

I anticipate you will like it. At that price they usually get the details right.
Title: Re: Best auto drip coffeemaker with more than 40 ounce capacity
Post by: mp on September 13, 2018, 08:46:32 PM
The "Newco" isn't made by Newco anymore. Newco is a commercial coffee machine company that makes models inline with other commercial coffee makers. I.e. Bunn, Curtis,etc...I have two of their pour over airpot Brewers that have been in service for about 10 years without a hitch. I also have a Bunn commercial lpg grinder and I have seen Chris' commercial ditting grinder in action. All the companies make products that compete main difference that I have seen is price. If price is the determining factor Newco is going to win on a new purchase with our discount,

Now that sounds pretty interesting.

Any new goodies you can tell us about?

 :)
Title: Re: Best auto drip coffeemaker with more than 40 ounce capacity
Post by: Joe on September 14, 2018, 08:30:51 AM
The "Newco" isn't made by Newco anymore. Newco is a commercial coffee machine company that makes models inline with other commercial coffee makers. I.e. Bunn, Curtis,etc...I have two of their pour over airpot Brewers that have been in service for about 10 years without a hitch. I also have a Bunn commercial lpg grinder and I have seen Chris' commercial ditting grinder in action. All the companies make products that compete main difference that I have seen is price. If price is the determining factor Newco is going to win on a new purchase with our discount,

Now that sounds pretty interesting.

Any new goodies you can tell us about?

 :)

Not from Newco but their website can get you going, also Craigslist and eBay is a good source for any used commercial Brewers. I do have a new Sette 270 wi and original sette 270 to review
Title: Re: Best auto drip coffeemaker with more than 40 ounce capacity
Post by: brianmch on September 14, 2018, 09:54:37 AM
The "Newco" isn't made by Newco anymore. Newco is a commercial coffee machine company that makes models inline with other commercial coffee makers. I.e. Bunn, Curtis,etc...I have two of their pour over airpot Brewers that have been in service for about 10 years without a hitch. I also have a Bunn commercial lpg grinder and I have seen Chris' commercial ditting grinder in action. All the companies make products that compete main difference that I have seen is price. If price is the determining factor Newco is going to win on a new purchase with our discount,

Now that sounds pretty interesting.

Any new goodies you can tell us about?

 :)


I picked up a Newco several years ago based on a recommendation.  It was pretty dang ugly, didn't brew at the right temp, and had a flat basket filter.  It was plug and play with no settings other than off/on.

I may have gotten the wrong one but I didn't see many options.
Title: Re: Best auto drip coffeemaker with more than 40 ounce capacity
Post by: Joe on September 14, 2018, 11:04:17 AM
A Newco is like super vague. I am thinking you got the ocs series like ocs-8 or 12 which we had an awesome discount for like only $69 for a 200f consistent Brewer. It was a game changer with some quirks, it had the best thermal caraf in the world nothing comes close. However, the brew baskets would eventually crack especially the flat bottom ones. The cone basket was available later on.


www.newcocoffee.com (http://www.newcocoffee.com)
Title: Re: Best auto drip coffeemaker with more than 40 ounce capacity
Post by: brianmch on September 14, 2018, 12:15:44 PM
It was an OCS, 10-15 yrs ago.
Title: Re: Best auto drip coffeemaker with more than 40 ounce capacity
Post by: Joe on September 14, 2018, 12:28:47 PM
It was an OCS, 10-15 yrs ago.

That was their design for small office machine and really isn't "commercial" although it was supposed to be close to commercial. In reality it was a very good home machine for many years as a contrast to Technivorm which at the time had a one or two hole brew head, and cost like $350. They were made in China and had received an SCAA approval for that when it was only them and Technivorm. Anyways we bought all of their OCS-8/12 stock and then some and they had to get more from china which took a while and the new ones were more money and basically the train derailed for the OCS line and they cancelled it. But their actual Commercial products are on par with the industry.
Title: Re: Best auto drip coffeemaker with more than 40 ounce capacity
Post by: brianmch on September 17, 2018, 07:40:01 AM
It was an OCS, 10-15 yrs ago.

But their actual Commercial products are on par with the industry.

Probably so although I've never used them. 

Fetco is pretty popular here and I've seen some Curtis automatic pour over machines that look pretty cool but I'm sure are very pricey. 

The maker of the commercial-version of the Chemex Ottomatic brew mechanism has it nailed down.  This makes a fabulous cup that's pretty hard to tell from a hand pour. 

Its implementation in the Otto is sub-par though FWIW.  Distribution through the head is uneven and it isn't hot enough.  If anyone is handy with an electronic circuit I'd love to figure out how to turn the heat up.  Tie in, over 40oz capacity.



Title: Re: Best auto drip coffeemaker with more than 40 ounce capacity
Post by: Ascholten on September 17, 2018, 12:11:28 PM
Is it a button T stat or one that is actually sensed?

Aaron
Title: Re: Best auto drip coffeemaker with more than 40 ounce capacity
Post by: brianmch on September 18, 2018, 02:18:37 PM
Is it a button T stat or one that is actually sensed?

Aaron

Ummm, I don't recall.  I'll have to tear it apart and find out. Will post up in a new thread or DM to not continue to clutter this up.
Title: Re: Best auto drip coffeemaker with more than 40 ounce capacity
Post by: Ascholten on September 18, 2018, 02:34:39 PM
Understood.
If it's a button those can be replaced,  if it's a t stat might be a little more difficult but doable.
start the new thread and I can try to help you there if you want.

Aaron
Title: Re: Best auto drip coffeemaker with more than 40 ounce capacity
Post by: MGLloyd on September 19, 2018, 01:19:00 PM
I have been roasting my own beans since the 1990's, have a Pasquini Livia 90 and Rocky Rancilio for espresso, several presses and a Chemex for pour-over. For the workday mornings when we have to get out the door, I have been using a Capresso MT-500 which was on its last legs. I decided another auto drip was in order. I reviewed all the current high-end makers, but insisted on something with a thermal carafe, brewing temp of 200 degrees, pre-infusion, made more than 40 ounces of coffee and could brew with a push of a single button, since my wife does not like to fuss with the coffee maker.

My research led me to this machine: the Zojirushi EC-YTC-100 (https://www.zojirushi.com/app/product/ecytc (https://www.zojirushi.com/app/product/ecytc)). I also looked at the Technivorm, Brazen, Cuisinart, Capresso, Breville and Bonavita offerings. I have had the Zojirushi for a week now. So far, it has been excellent. I measure the temp in the carafe at 188 degrees and in the coffee ground bed at 200-202 degrees and the coffee tastes excellent. I brew using the 'time-saver' option and a full pot of 50 ounces takes about 9-10 minutes to brew. The coffee is extracted very well without undue bitterness. I generally roast to a 'full city' or 'medium' (10-15 seconds into second crack) level so I don't roast out all the varietal character from the coffee.

The carafe keeps the coffee hot for at least four hours; we have always finished the coffee by this point. It uses a 8-12 cup flat basket and I use Melitta filters rather than the included permanent filter; my wife does not like fines/sludge in her coffee. I am especially impressed by the large showerhead which gives an excellent even brew over the coffee grounds. Clean-up is easy since the filter basket and water tank lift right out for cleaning and filling. It is constructed well and does not appear flimsy.

So far, this appears to be a winner. I will update this review as needed.

PS: Added link to machine
Title: Re: Best auto drip coffeemaker with more than 40 ounce capacity
Post by: ptrmorton on September 19, 2018, 01:32:19 PM
Thanks for the review Michael.  It is much appreciated.
Title: Re: Best auto drip coffeemaker with more than 40 ounce capacity
Post by: brianmch on September 19, 2018, 01:40:04 PM
Yes Michael, thank you.  Seems to be a winner performance wise. 

Gotta give you a shout-out too for being a Livia user.  Mine is back in-line after a brief and recent flirtation with a lever machine. 
Title: Re: Best auto drip coffeemaker with more than 40 ounce capacity
Post by: Joe on September 19, 2018, 01:48:18 PM
I really like the controls on the front on Zojirushi, I reached out to them to see if we can do a admin review.
Title: Re: Best auto drip coffeemaker with more than 40 ounce capacity
Post by: MGLloyd on September 23, 2018, 02:15:25 PM
I am doing a series of experiments with the temperature of the water in the tank vs. total time of brewing.  Using the 'time saver' setting and using 50 degree water from the tap, total brewing time is 11 minutes to brew 10 cups. Using the the 'time saver' setting and using 105 degree water from the tap, total brewing time is 7.5 minutes for ten cups, and I detect more sweetness and smoothness in the cup.  I am going to continue some additional work on this.
Title: Re: Best auto drip coffeemaker with more than 40 ounce capacity
Post by: Ascholten on September 23, 2018, 04:12:21 PM
This holds true for pretty much any coffee pot on the brew time.  If you put hot water from the tap into a Technivorn I want to say that thing will spew it out in 3 to 4 minutes.  I'll have to time it but it screams through.  When the water is cold, it's not so fast.  Ive noticed that I like the coffee as you said, when it's brewed with hotter starting water, though not entirely sure why that'd make the difference when it's all supposedly at the same temp when it comes out.  Im thinking maybe because the faster the water is coming out the more the grounds are able to soak in a pool of water .vs. just a quick pass and review.  This is another reason I like to close off the basket on my TV and let it fill and swirl then pour through, it's like a pour over and I find it gives a better overall flavor.  Not that the TV is lacking without that but Id think that method implemented on any pot would work.


Aaron
Title: Re: Best auto drip coffeemaker with more than 40 ounce capacity
Post by: MGLloyd on September 23, 2018, 07:31:53 PM
^^^I know that one of the SCAA brewer standards is to brew a full pot within 4-8 minutes, to maximize extraction and minimize bitterness. https://static1.squarespace.com/static/584f6bbef5e23149e5522201/t/5a60fd1024a694c931e79a8d/1516305684789/2017+SCA+CHB+Program+Requirements.pdf

So since the 'time saver' cycle with cold water from the tap (we are on a well) is approximately 10-11 minutes, by experimenting with the temp of the water, I am trying to get the brewing cycle within that 4-8 minute timeframe.  Ideally, I will notice a difference in the cup.
Title: Re: Best auto drip coffeemaker with more than 40 ounce capacity
Post by: Ascholten on September 24, 2018, 12:34:14 PM
although it'd be starting out pretty hot,  the pot should be able to handle it.  Brew half a pot or even a full pot of just water. top off and pour back in to rebrew with coffee this time.  The water is plenty hot and should come out pretty quickly for you then.
Aaron
Title: Re: Best auto drip coffeemaker with more than 40 ounce capacity
Post by: Joe on September 24, 2018, 03:18:25 PM
Man the c/net review on this machine isn't so great. They basically recommend a bonavita over it.
Title: Re: Best auto drip coffeemaker with more than 40 ounce capacity
Post by: brianmch on September 25, 2018, 05:33:37 AM
Thanks for the pre-brew water hack Aaron. Never thought to try that before but I did get 10 more degrees F on my Ottomatic.

I'd love a TV or BV but my better half bought this for me and I don't know a good way to break it to get something different.
Title: Re: Best auto drip coffeemaker with more than 40 ounce capacity
Post by: MGLloyd on September 26, 2018, 10:42:31 AM
Man the c/net review on this machine isn't so great. They basically recommend a bonavita over it.

I read that review.  Note that the model I bought is a later model with the pre-infusion, etc.  I am especially not noticing the bitterness that CNet complained of.
Title: Re: Best auto drip coffeemaker with more than 40 ounce capacity
Post by: MGLloyd on September 26, 2018, 10:45:26 AM
although it'd be starting out pretty hot,  the pot should be able to handle it.  Brew half a pot or even a full pot of just water. top off and pour back in to rebrew with coffee this time.  The water is plenty hot and should come out pretty quickly for you then.
Aaron

Not necessarily pertinent to this model, but I have read cautions about doing that from the perspective of damaging parts on the tank/heating/brewing system that are not designed for that level of heat.
Title: Re: Best auto drip coffeemaker with more than 40 ounce capacity
Post by: brianmch on September 26, 2018, 10:53:19 AM
although it'd be starting out pretty hot,  the pot should be able to handle it.  Brew half a pot or even a full pot of just water. top off and pour back in to rebrew with coffee this time.  The water is plenty hot and should come out pretty quickly for you then.
Aaron

Not necessarily pertinent to this model, but I have read cautions about doing that from the perspective of damaging parts on the tank/heating/brewing system that are not designed for that level of heat.

After a couple experiments I can say that the brew is hotter and my machine just spit that out.  The coffee was awful. Tightened the grind a couple notches to increase the soak time to the appropriate number but man, it was bad. 

Boo hoo for me. Back to espresso, V60, and Aeropress.   ;)

Glad you're getting good brew with your Zojirushi! 
Title: Re: Best auto drip coffeemaker with more than 40 ounce capacity
Post by: CafeDan on September 26, 2018, 11:17:01 AM
Man the c/net review on this machine isn't so great. They basically recommend a bonavita over it.

The c/net review is for the older model YSC100 which looks nearly identical.  The new one, YTC100, adds pre-infusion. It would be nice to know for sure that the performance is improved over the old model too, but Michael's review is the only one I've seen that suggests that is the case. The few other Amazon reviews so far seem to think the YTC100 still doesn't brew hot enough.

Anyway, I just got the Bonavita 1901TS and am not happy with it.  I brewed a couple of pots and fully 1/3 of the grounds in the basket were still bone dry at the end of the cycle.  I ran it again without the basket so I could observe the operation and discovered water is only being dispensed from 2 of the 11 holes in the shower head.  It's the same even after disassembling and blowing out the shower head in case there was blockage (there wasn't).  Maybe I got a defective unit but regardless, the build quality seems cheap.

I also tried the Technivorm and returned it. That machine retains a lot of water in its boiler after brewing. I don't make whole pots of coffee that often, so that doesn't work for me. I can't have stagnant water left forgotten in the boiler for days, or even weeks between use. So I was hoping this new Zojirushi model might turn out to be a great sleeper find.

Btw in case anyone is wondering, I had to re-register as a new user because I haven't been on this site in forever and apparently I got purged. I was specifically looking for info on this Zojirushi machine though, so I'm happy to be back for it.
Title: Re: Best auto drip coffeemaker with more than 40 ounce capacity
Post by: MGLloyd on September 26, 2018, 11:30:20 AM
I have often wondered about the complaints on any auto not brewing hot enough: are people saying that the brew temp is too low and are measuring it, or are people saying that the coffee in the carafe is not hot enough?  I suspect it is the latter, and people are brewing into a cold carafe, rather than pre-heating the carafe by filling it with hot water and letting it sit for a few minutes before emptying it out and then brewing. I have to pre-heat the carafe or my wife complains.
Title: Re: Best auto drip coffeemaker with more than 40 ounce capacity
Post by: CafeDan on September 26, 2018, 11:40:10 AM
I wondered the same thing. Also, it looks like you need to use "time-saver" mode to hit the right brew temperature and maybe those other users are using "normal" mode?  Funny way for the company to describe their modes... "normal" = not as hot and takes longer.  Maybe something got lost in translation.
Title: Re: Best auto drip coffeemaker with more than 40 ounce capacity
Post by: brianmch on September 27, 2018, 07:26:54 AM
I have often wondered about the complaints on any auto not brewing hot enough: are people saying that the brew temp is too low and are measuring it, or are people saying that the coffee in the carafe is not hot enough?  I suspect it is the latter, and people are brewing into a cold carafe, rather than pre-heating the carafe by filling it with hot water and letting it sit for a few minutes before emptying it out and then brewing. I have to pre-heat the carafe or my wife complains.

I think it depends on who you're communicating with.

I would expect that people who are aware of proper brew temperatures are talking about that vs. post-brew temps. 

 
Title: Re: Best auto drip coffeemaker with more than 40 ounce capacity
Post by: MGLloyd on September 28, 2018, 11:41:30 AM

I think it depends on who you're communicating with.

I would expect that people who are aware of proper brew temperatures are talking about that vs. post-brew temps.

And I suspect the majority of the people doing reviews on Amazon and non-specialist review sites do not.  On occasion, I read those reviews and the people clearly have subject matter expertise and I pay close attention to those.  Most of them, however, not so much.
Title: Re: Best auto drip coffeemaker with more than 40 ounce capacity
Post by: CafeDan on October 03, 2018, 12:23:39 PM
Anyway, I just got the Bonavita 1901TS and am not happy with it.  I brewed a couple of pots and fully 1/3 of the grounds in the basket were still bone dry at the end of the cycle.  I ran it again without the basket so I could observe the operation and discovered water is only being dispensed from 2 of the 11 holes in the shower head.  It's the same even after disassembling and blowing out the shower head in case there was blockage (there wasn't).  Maybe I got a defective unit but regardless, the build quality seems cheap.

To follow up, I exchanged my Bonavita and the replacement unit works correctly -- just in case someone's search brings them to this thread while researching it in the future.
Title: Re: Best auto drip coffeemaker with more than 40 ounce capacity
Post by: ptrmorton on October 03, 2018, 01:40:23 PM
Anyway, I just got the Bonavita 1901TS and am not happy with it.  I brewed a couple of pots and fully 1/3 of the grounds in the basket were still bone dry at the end of the cycle.  I ran it again without the basket so I could observe the operation and discovered water is only being dispensed from 2 of the 11 holes in the shower head.  It's the same even after disassembling and blowing out the shower head in case there was blockage (there wasn't).  Maybe I got a defective unit but regardless, the build quality seems cheap.

To follow up, I exchanged my Bonavita and the replacement unit works correctly -- just in case someone's search brings them to this thread while researching it in the future.


Thanks for the follow up.  I like my Bonavita 1901 TS, but as you mention, the build quality isn't great - merely adequate.  Still, I've used mine every day for a couple of years without a problem.  I hope you fare as well.
Title: Re: Best auto drip coffeemaker with more than 40 ounce capacity
Post by: ptrmorton on December 09, 2018, 12:24:47 PM
MGLloyd,  any further thoughts on your machine now that you've had a few months of using it?  I'm thinking I need a larger capacity maker for the holidays and I have a good home for my old one.  Thanks.
Title: Re: Best auto drip coffeemaker with more than 40 ounce capacity
Post by: MGLloyd on December 21, 2018, 02:19:10 PM
I am even more thrilled with it now than when I bought it.  It continues to chug right along, the coffee is excellent and cleanup is simple.  Two thumbs up.
Title: Re: Best auto drip coffeemaker with more than 40 ounce capacity
Post by: ptrmorton on December 21, 2018, 05:03:52 PM
I am even more thrilled with it now than when I bought it.  It continues to chug right along, the coffee is excellent and cleanup is simple.  Two thumbs up.


Excellent!  Thank You.
Title: Re: Best auto drip coffeemaker with more than 40 ounce capacity
Post by: brianmch on January 03, 2019, 08:27:16 AM
I am even more thrilled with it now than when I bought it.  It continues to chug right along, the coffee is excellent and cleanup is simple.  Two thumbs up.

Are you using pre-heated water and time saver?
Title: Re: Best auto drip coffeemaker with more than 40 ounce capacity
Post by: MGLloyd on January 05, 2019, 07:53:40 PM
I am even more thrilled with it now than when I bought it.  It continues to chug right along, the coffee is excellent and cleanup is simple.  Two thumbs up.

Are you using pre-heated water and time saver?

I am. I discovered that by using water at around 110 degrees and time saver, I can get a full pot brewed in 7-8 minutes consistent with SCAA guidelines.