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Coffee Discussion boards => Hardware & Equipment => Topic started by: SJM on April 25, 2014, 01:46:30 PM
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Now available with manual control....and the old ones are upgradeable???
That sounds promising.
Today at the SCAA show in Seattle, Behmor announced the new Plus roaster.
It looks exactly like the normal 1600 but with a manual mode in addition to the auto mode it currently has.
Basically, choosing the manual mode, you can change the power level from 100% to 75 or 50 or 25 anytime during the roast, and change as often as you like. There are two temperature readouts, one for the chamber wall and one for the exhaust area. Drum speed can be toggled from 8 to 16 rpm. Joe said that a new motor will allow 32 rpm.[/i]
The control panel will be available for upgrades soon, so those with a current 1600 don't have to buy a new roaster. Joe hopes to keep the cost down, I believe below $100, maybe below $75.
The 1600 Plus price will be a little higher than the present price, probably (I think, anyway) less than $400. But with the Hottop price jumping a bunch here recently, perhaps all such roasters will jump in price.
With the manual mode, you can set the starting time higher and be assured your roast will finish.
The 220V versions will get a different looking control panel with the weights in grams (like 200,300,400) or close to that.
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I have an old Behmor that I picked up a while back as a spare roaster. I will definitely upgrade it when the parts are available.
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I will talk to Joe at SCAA tomorrow.... details to follow.
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How very interesting. The possibility of more profiling. My Behmor from the original shipment back in 2007 gave up the ghost a while back, so I will await news of the Plus eagerly.
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That's what I like to hear.
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It's about time!
Talk about a game changer; all it needs is a digital interface for a laptop.
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It's about time!
Talk about a game changer...
Joe has taken all the input to heart and reworked his first child. Admirable. Some lessons in there for me.
Looking forward to Milo's discussion with Joe.
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Totally great news. Please count me as first in line for the upgrade.
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SJM, didn't you just get a hottop? Will this upgrade to the behemor change your thoughts on it? Are you going to regret getting the hottop?
(Just wondering in Benbrook, Texas)
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I have always been a fan of the Behmore. I learned how to use mine and you can make good coffee with it! Learn how to manipulate it. With these changes coming out now, it looks even more of a better deal. I like the thought of being able to give it a bit more heat, as some beans seemed to really need a lot to finally kick off. I got one of the first ones shipped, I too wonder if it is upgradable. If not, I wonder if he'd consider a trade in :D
Aaron
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I have always been a fan of the Behmore. I learned how to use mine and you can make good coffee with it! Learn how to manipulate it. With these changes coming out now, it looks even more of a better deal. I like the thought of being able to give it a bit more heat, as some beans seemed to really need a lot to finally kick off. I got one of the first ones shipped, I too wonder if it is upgradable. If not, I wonder if he'd consider a trade in :D
Aaron
I will ask Joe all of that today.
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This is cool.
Milo, can you also ask Joe if this mod will allow easy control of fan/heat with TC4 and other devices.
I love my Hottop roaster, but after recent price increase I don't like the money-grabber company behind it at all.
Thank you,
Miroslav
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This is cool.
Milo, can you also ask Joe if this mod will allow easy control of fan/heat with TC4 and other devices.
I love my Hottop roaster, but after recent price increase I don't like the money-grabber company behind it at all.
Thank you,
Miroslav
I will try and get the whole scoop.
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SJM, didn't you just get a hottop? Will this upgrade to the behemor change your thoughts on it? Are you going to regret getting the hottop?
(Just wondering in Benbrook, Texas)
I did (just get one) and I don't (regret it).
I am glad I got it before the price went up $200, because that might have daunted me.
But if the new one had come out first? Hard to know what I would have done.
I probably would have ordered the retrofit and given it a run for its $$$.
But then if I still didn't love it, the HT would cost more....
I'm glad I got the HT when I got it.
Susan
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I saw the new Behmor today, looks just like the old one... difference being the controller.
Joe has done a bunch to update the controller including being able to change the drum speed and the heat.
It's not fully variable, but you can start a profile and then jump out of it at any time and go to manual mode.
Power levels are in increments (i don't remember if it's 20% or 25%). Fan speed I don't think is variable, but I didn't ask him that.... it was zoo in there.
He said there will be a new board available in a month or two that will have the new features that will sell for under $75. The new board will work in any Behmor
He also said he had something else in the works that will be released next year that will also be offered as an upgrade to all Behmors
The thing I like about Joe is his commitment to improve his roaster an not gouge folks as well as work with all older roasters
The Brazen has also been improved. New valve, new removable filter and a larger basket and new port in the top of the carafe.
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...The thing I like about Joe is his commitment to improve his roaster an not gouge folks as well as work with all older roasters...
I like it when people include Peter.
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...The thing I like about Joe is his commitment to improve his roaster an not gouge folks as well as work with all older roasters...
I like it when people include Peter.
Hey! Leave me out of this!
He also said he had something else in the works that will be released next year that will also be offered as an upgrade to all Behmors.
A 2x4 to put under the front of the roaster?
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The new board
http://i.imgur.com/sS64ZYg.png (http://i.imgur.com/sS64ZYg.png)
We will have to learn how to play with it......
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The new board
[url]http://i.imgur.com/sS64ZYg.png[/url] ([url]http://i.imgur.com/sS64ZYg.png[/url])
We will have to learn how to play with it......
I suppose we can do away with the door dance with this one.
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Me too! It will make the behmor a new roaster, maybe even a contender! Now to make it an Artisan roaster??:-)
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This is really nice, I think it boosts the Behmor a lot. The biggest thing it doesn't fix, which would make it cost a ton more is it being so voltage dependent. However, the idea of this really kills most of my lust for any other consumer machine. Salivating atm for the new board to be released.
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Just saw this at SM's Behmor 1600 Forum:
"For those not following the just-ended SCAA show, one of the 'new' products is the Behmor 1600 Plus. Our friends here at Sweet Maria's mentioned it, but more details can be found at: http://coffeegeek.com/forums/coffee/homeroast/666600. (http://coffeegeek.com/forums/coffee/homeroast/666600.)
I am very happy to see that existing models can be easily retrofitted (I already have a spare control panel as it is and it's a pretty easy job). The temp readouts are not new, though maybe they are recalibrated into meaningful numbers? But the additionof the manual mode, even though it is limited, should be a huge boost to functionality. Now to find out when the upgrade is available..."
Just FYI.
P.
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The manual mode with 4 power levels and off will definitely improve things for me. I have to admit that I don't really know at what stage of the roast I should change drum speed and what I can expect from it. I can get readings from the sensors by pressing P1 and P2 during the roast cycle with my 220-240v model.
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Interesting but won't it stall the roast if the heat is turned off and the drum rotation is doubled? This is going to be a new learning curve when the upgrade is retrofitted.
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The temp readouts don't function on my 2007 Behmor, must have been introduced after the first runs.
What temperature readouts?
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The temp readouts don't function on my 2007 Behmor, must have been introduced after the first runs.
I wonder if the new board will give temp readouts on my early Behmor, don't know if the sensors are in place. Of course, I already have two thermocouples installed in my Behmor connected to RoasterThing for real-time temp monitoring so even if the sensors aren't there in my roaster the power and drum speed control will definitely be appreciated.
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Doesn't on mine either! I would read about it and wonder wtf!
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Looks like I'll be getting another Behmor. Based on the reported "under $400" for the new + model, it doesn't make sense to spend $75 on my '08 ish model.
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Looks like I'll be getting another Behmor. Based on the reported "under $400" new + it doesn't make sense to spend $75 on my '08 ish model.
Peter can but the old one as his sample roaster!!!! ;)
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Just bought the Grounds for Health auction Plus. Good price and great cause.
I am looking forward to the new Behmor. I will convert my 07 ish model eventually also.
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Just bought the Grounds for Health auction Plus. Good price and great cause.
I am looking forward to the new Behmor. I will convert my 07 ish model eventually also.
I still have my 2010 Behmor, and will upgrade it to the plus as well. I hope to pass it on to a family member to start roasting!
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I just heard from Behmor that the upgrade will be available in four to five weeks and will cost $50.
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Does anyone know if the new model is available yet? I have a friend that wants to buy one.
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What would the new model offer that differs from an upgraded machine?
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The upgrade boards will be available before the new models, not sure when the new models will be available.
Wow. That seems kinda backwards.
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I got an email from Joe Behm saying he thinks my unit will go out around July 7-8.
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The upgrade boards will be available before the new models, not sure when the new models will be available.
The Aussie site received their shipment of new Behmor models in mid May:
http://coffeesnobs.com.au/roasters/38089-behmor-1600-plus-coffee-roaster-2.html (http://coffeesnobs.com.au/roasters/38089-behmor-1600-plus-coffee-roaster-2.html)
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I can't wait to install the new board. Will this provide all the benefits of the new model, esp. readng temperatures?
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The new control panel will provide all the new features of the Behmor 1600 Plus. Temperature readings from the sidewall sensor and exhaust while not really new with the 220-240V models, will be available. The most interesting new feature is the manual mode power levels and motor rotation switch. The slow cooling method remains the same but many users have opted for external cooling devices already.
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The slow cooling method remains the same but many users have opted for external cooling devices already.
Which brings up a question for me. Is it safe (for the Behmor) to place a fan in front and have it blowing in full force during the cooling cycle? that's the only option I see because I'm not reaching in to remove the hot roaster drum, even wearing pot holders.
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Which brings up a question for me. Is it safe (for the Behmor) to place a fan in front and have it blowing in full force during the cooling cycle? that's the only option I see because I'm not reaching in to remove the hot roaster drum, even wearing pot holders.
Many people have done that. I have always yanked out the drum using Ove Gloves - pot holders aren't sufficient.
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I have always yanked out the drum using Ove Gloves - pot holders aren't sufficient.
Yeah, nothing is gonna burn you with the Ove gloves on!!
Pull the drum.
Dump the beans in a colander on top of a fan.
They'll be cool in a minute.
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I was using the term pot holders generically. I have one Ove Glove and I'll get another. But I should still let the cool cycle finish after I remove the drum, I guess.
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I was using the term pot holders generically. I have one Ove Glove and I'll get another. But I should still let the cool cycle finish after I remove the drum, I guess.
Yep - press OFF, remove the drum, dump beans into "cooling device" then press Cool to restart the Behmor.
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Putting a fan in front of it should not cause any problems unless you were well into second crack and on the verge of starting a fire to begin with. if you have over roasted a batch and they are smoking pretty good, fanning them might be just the bit to catch them on fire. Otherwise a non starbucks style of roasting should not be any problem to use a fan.
As mentioned many folks use various 'fanning' methods already. The advantage of removing the drum first and then cooling is that if you blow a fan into the unit you are probably going to be blowing chaff all over the place too.
Aaron
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Based on Mass.Wine Guy's previous post on roast level preference which is on the dark side perhaps on the rolling 2nd crack stage, wouldn't it create too much smoke and igniting chaff when the door is opened? Fan is definitely not a good option in this scenario or maybe even external cooling. What flavor is there to lose with slow cooling if you like your roast past Vienna? Better to just let Behmor's smoke suppressor do it's job.
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I open the door anyway for the cool cycle. Never had a fire. I think there's a ton of flavor in dark roasts. Not carbonized, dark.
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We roast to the level of our personal preference. That is not going to change nor is it the point. My point is that it may not be worth the trouble of doing the external quick cooling method if the preferred roast level is beyond Full City. Behmor 1600 and Behmor 1600 Plus is by design a slow cooling roaster. The daughter of the Behmor distributor in Melbourne, Australia won a Gold award for her Espresso Blend using the slow cooling method.
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We roast to the level of our personal preference. That is not going to change nor is it the point.
But it is, I tell you!
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Does anyone know if the upgrade has been released?
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If you go over to CoffeeGeek http://coffeegeek.com/forums/coffee/homeroast/666517, (http://coffeegeek.com/forums/coffee/homeroast/666517,) Joe (TahoeJoe) keeps that forum apprised of every schedule change, etc. I saw something the other day about "limited availability" of new models and upgrades, but....you can find it there if you take a look.
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Thanks!
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According to Joe's twitter account:
Behmor 1600 Plus Upgrade Kits: inventory Aug 8 Supplies R Limited
Behmor 1600 Plus Roasters- appx. Sept 18th
Roastmasters is also taking pre-orders ...got mine on order
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I was told by Bob Rodda at Behmor last week "Upgrade front control panels should be here in approx 6 to 8 weeks ,hopefully sooner." He reiterated they hope sooner.
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According to Joe's twitter account:
Behmor 1600 Plus Upgrade Kits: inventory Aug 8 Supplies R Limited
Behmor 1600 Plus Roasters- appx. Sept 18th
Roastmasters is also taking pre-orders ...got mine on order
Just an update.. according to my most recent data from Asia the above info is still very much accurate for upgrade boards and full systems arrival in the USA. I'm in communication with them each evening and will again tonight.
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Thanks for the update Joe!!
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I've pre-ordered my upgrade board with Roastmasters. Free shipping, too.
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I've pre-ordered my upgrade board with Roastmasters. Free shipping, too.
I have also...be interested in seeing some of your manual profiles that you use with the new board
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I've pre-ordered my upgrade board with Roastmasters. Free shipping, too.
I have also...be interested in seeing some of your manual profiles that you use with the new board
So will I, since I don't really know what I'm doing in terms of manually controlling the roast.
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There is a post on CoffeeGeek about installing the new board with a link to the video. Very informative
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uwKZuir8fQA (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uwKZuir8fQA)
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For those of us, like me, who have just used the automatic Behmor profiles, what are a couple of key things to keep in mind when roasting manually?
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Thanks, Chris. Sounds good to me.
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Attached is a sheet which explains what has been added in the manual mode.. keep in mind the manual portion of the program is not accessible until you've started a roast just as you would now..
What I'm finding in my tests and currently use for testing is 12 ounces-
To start.. preheat as usual.. then 1 and Start
I then go P5 (highest power setting 100% in manual) then Press D (double drum speed)
When I hear the 1st crack and I mean very 1st crack of first.. I press C (resets to Rosetta Stone time, in this case 3:10)
I wait about 20 seconds into FC for a little momentum, then press P1 to go to 0% power (all MCU's have lag time-this is the quickest way to drop heat)
You'll note momentum will carry it through FC for about ~1:30 maybe longer at which time I'll go P3, for a ramp up of heat, then P5.. invariably I've had to add 30-45 seconds because of stretching time between FC and SC.. (note: normally on 12ounces time between FC and SC is appx 2:40)..
When I can sense I'm about 15 seconds away from cooling, I hit P1 again to cease all power to the quartz elements so cooling is better and quicker..
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This is extremely useful information, Joe. Thank you. Does shutting off heating elements while the drum's spinning risk harm to any internal electronics or thermistors? I ask because in the manual it warns not to stop the cool down cycle while in progress because of possible harm to the electronics.
Also, will changing the motor speed hasten motor failure rates?
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This is extremely useful information, Joe. Thank you. Does shutting off heating elements while the drum's spinning risk harm to any internal electronics or thermistors? I ask because in the manual it warns not to stop the cool down cycle while in progress because of possible harm to the electronics.
Also, will changing the motor speed hasten motor failure rates?
The reference in the manual is if you press OFF immediately after a roast before allowing the cooling fans to do their job... cutting power to elements lowers heat quicker for cooling only
Motor speed change should have no ill effect ..
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Thanks, Joe. I can't wait to try the new board.
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Any idea when the upgrade will be available in Canada ??
Thank's
Michel G
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Just a quick update.. PCBs/ Panels are 99% finished and tested.. but they pulled a bonehead and forgot to order boxes to pack each panel individually, so I'll probably have them ship bulk which means each disty will need to box. No biggie just one of the many stupid things that can delay deliveries.. As to when in Canada, I'm having these shipped to two locations in the states so they can be broken down and reshipped to all points quicker.
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I'm preordered as well, sure hope it works with the first ones to roll out, 7 years ago!
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I'm preordered as well, sure hope it works with the first ones to roll out, 7 years ago!
The only thing you may have to contend w/ on early versions they used a glue to secure the connections from slipping while being shipped. In that case all you need to do is take the needle nose pliers and remove the glue.. no biggie..
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just received the email that my pre-ordered panel upgrade is on the way...yay!
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I'm preordered as well, sure hope it works with the first ones to roll out, 7 years ago!
The only thing you may have to contend w/ on early versions they used a glue to secure the connections from slipping while being shipped. In that case all you need to do is take the needle nose pliers and remove the glue.. no biggie..
Awesome, looking forward to it!!
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Installed my panel upgrade last night which was pretty easy following the Roastmasters video. The part you really have to pay attention to is lining up the panel to get the correct gap between it and the door. So I tried my 1st roast today with the upgrade
8.0 oz of Yemen Mokha Ismaili
1:30 pre-heat
Started with P5 and immediately went to manual with P4 (75%) which dropped time to 18 minutes
At 7 minutes I went back to P5(100%) anticipating 1st crack
1st crack at 5:50, hit C for Rosetta Stone and had a very nice boisterous 1st crack until 4:50
Then 2nd crack snuck up on me at 4:30 and I stopped at 4:25
I ended up with Full City to Full City + which isn't what I was hoping for
Next time I will drop power to P1(0%) as soon as 1st crack starts in order to slow it down a little.
Anyone have any thoughts or suggestions I would appreciate it
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You're lucky...apparently not all distributors got theirs at the same time. Still playing the waiting game.
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I'm a bit confused? P1 should be the hottest and fast5ed not P5? Is that your issue? I do not have the new board..... JUST THE OLD ONE for now but may be heading that way!
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I'm a bit confused? P1 should be the hottest and fast5ed not P5? Is that your issue? I do not have the new board..... JUST THE OLD ONE for now but may be heading that way!
In manual mode P5 is 100% power. See the link below for more info.
http://www.behmor.com/docs/New-Program-Docs-Behmor-1600-Plus-V3.pdf (http://www.behmor.com/docs/New-Program-Docs-Behmor-1600-Plus-V3.pdf)
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In manual mode p1 is 0% and p5 is 100%
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Weird....? I always roast on P1 to get the hottest and fastest roast. I can never get a roast to finish on P5 even adding time to the max? Kona's and Brazils on P3 and that's iffy?
I wonder what the owners manual looks like? :o
Ps... maybe I need to revisit this whole issue.....?
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I received mine today, too. I hope the video is clearer and more helpful than the printed instructions that come with the board. It says it's a 30 minute job, but I know it's going to take me half a day.
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I hope the video is clearer and more helpful than the printed instructions that come with the board. It says it's a 30 minute job, but I know it's going to take me half a day.
The Roastmasters video left out removing 2 screws at the bottom of the old panel otherwise pretty clear. It really shouldn't take any longer than 30 minutes.
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I got mine installed in about 30 min. I did watch the video, and it helped.
I've done one roast with the new controller and I am happy with the changes. A 12 oz batch of Columbian El Tambo. P1, 14:00 and switched to manual mode. 1C at a little under 12 min. When 1C got rolling, I reduced power to 75% and added 1.5 min. for a total of 15:30. Shortly after it went to "cool", I heard a few snaps of 2C. Next time I will preheat and try to get a 14:00 finish, then cool off-roaster to head off any 2C activity.
AJ
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I got mine installed in about 30 min. I did watch the video, and it helped.
I've done one roast with the new controller and I am happy with the changes. A 12 oz batch of Columbian El Tambo. P1, 14:00 and switched to manual mode. 1C at a little under 12 min. When 1C got rolling, I reduced power to 75% and added 1.5 min. for a total of 15:30. Shortly after it went to "cool", I heard a few snaps of 2C. Next time I will preheat and try to get a 14:00 finish, then cool off-roaster to head off any 2C activity.
AJ
No drum speed change?
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I got mine installed in about 30 min. I did watch the video, and it helped.
I've done one roast with the new controller and I am happy with the changes. A 12 oz batch of Columbian El Tambo. P1, 14:00 and switched to manual mode. 1C at a little under 12 min. When 1C got rolling, I reduced power to 75% and added 1.5 min. for a total of 15:30. Shortly after it went to "cool", I heard a few snaps of 2C. Next time I will preheat and try to get a 14:00 finish, then cool off-roaster to head off any 2C activity.
AJ
No drum speed change?
Oh yeah. I bumped the drum speed right away. 8)
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When during a roast would you change the speed of the drum, and why?
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Thanks for the link Yakster! A kill switch for the motor during cooling cycle would be handy for those who prefer external cooling.
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I suppose the SM article is based on the standard slow cooling method. I just thought a motor kill switch will make things easier in pulling out the drum. I have found holding a hot drum with oven mitts and pressing the cooling cycle again a bit cumbersome. I am guessing that the cooling cycle can run uninterrupted with a motor kill switch and it might be beneficial to the electronics of the roaster. Anyway, I hope you will post your own experimentation with the drum speed for our reference.
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I also wanted to try a roast where the First Crack Ratio was within 75 - 80 % as per Scott Rao's 3rd commandment in his "the Coffee Roaster's Companion."
What?
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Wow. That's too complicated for me. Hats off to those who get it, though.
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I am not sure if the First Crack Ratio is applicable to Behmor even with preheating. Perhaps if the benchmark roasting time target is based from the time the Behmor reaches a certain sidewall temperature up to the 1st minute of cooling, then it might be a good reference point to see which ratio will cup better for a particular coffee.
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You can go on hottop site and download an instruction manual , there is an interesting chart where they explain the utilility of changing the fan speed , going up and down with temperature ...etc,,, , the behmor can now be use as manual mode and we can adjust as we want.
hottop instruction are not exactly adapted to behmor, but could help a lot IMO to play with the different controls
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You're exploring new territory here, Chris. I love it! Got my board late - will install tomorrow. Keep up on posting your findings as this documentation will help many - me included!
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Did a roast today of Ethiopian Natural Harrar from Happy Mug
242 grams
Pre-heat 1:30
Profile P3 A 1#
1st crack at 13:00
Went to P1 at 14:00
1st crack ended at 14:45 (very lively 1st crack)
Stopped at 15:15
Did not toggle drum speed (forgot)
Now according to an article I read on Sweet Marias website "Roasting Dry Processed Coffee" this would fit the parameters of 1:30-2:00 1st crack and 30-45 min stop after 1st crack. i am still experimenting with Ethiopians since they are so hard to roast. We will see in about 4 days how it turned out.
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I'm very interested to hear what you think of the Happy Mug beans. I plan to order from them.
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I'm very interested to hear what you think of the Happy Mug beans.
The 1st batch of these I roasted were unremarkable but then maybe my expectations were too high or I screwed up the roast. I'll let you know on these.
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I think i am going to order one of these if they are not sold out on friday. I am lookong forward to receiving it. I just want to be able to go high heat until first crack then dial it back to extend the roast and then experiment from there.
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I liked my old, now worn out Behmor as a sample roaster and will order the new model when available.
(minor thread hijack)
The drum speed thing makes me wonder because I just upgraded the motor for my RK drum and now can adjust my drum turning speed from barely moving to around 68 RPM. The SM article says raising the Behmor drum speed takes the beans closer to an upper heat element and speeds the roast. Raising my drum speed boosts the beans farther up from the grill flame...OTOH the beans get tossed into the hot air more and that air would be hotter than the bean mass, most of the time so....? I've been running full speed and slowing way down just when I need to listen for cracks.
Anyone ever done experiments with varying drum speed in a grill roaster?
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I remember reading that someone put blocks under the front legs of their Behmor to tilt the beans back towards the elements effectively doing the same thing as speeding up the drum speed. i haven't done an A B comparison of the drum speeds, but I'm not noticing a big difference in time to first crack with the speed doubled.
Since a grill has the flames at the bottom instead of on the back wall like the Behmor, any deflection away from that would help cool the beans down.
Except that the beans are being heated by the drum material, so I wouldn't think it would matter from which direction the heat is reaching the Behmor drum. Guessing...
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I put a two inch block under the front oh my behmor allows for a good thirty to forty five second quicker acheivement of first crack in my experience.
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Better than your previous non plus roasts? And if so how?
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Did a roast on the plus of Elida Estate 7 days ago aiming for city+ just shy of full city and it turned out perfect, the taste is awesome. I was able to get a lively 1st crack toggling between P3 and P5 and then dropping to P1. I am definitely sold on the new board with the flexibility in both the drum speed and temp control.
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Yakster
How do you make your temperature graph with your behmor ? , I supposed you have a sophisticated setup...
Thank's
Michel
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Here it is http://www.roasterthing.com/Logging (http://www.roasterthing.com/Logging)
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Thank's for your answer....
BTW I install the new board in my behmor, it works well but need some adaptation it's like switching from an automatic car to a manual one when you never drive a manual
I check the temperature with a k sond, and there is a big difference with behmor thermometer , no idea where the problem is coming from.
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Yak pretty much hit it on the head with that statement. No two machines are going to be the same. You have to learn what works with YOUR machine and go with it. Get a ballpark idea where to start and tweak to what your rig wants to play nice with. We can both install the same way in our machines and his reads 430 and mine reads 424, it happens, we work with it and learn to say that MY numbers are NOT the law to follow.
Aaron
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Yak pretty much hit it on the head with that statement. No two machines are going to be the same. You have to learn what works with YOUR machine and go with it. Get a ballpark idea where to start and tweak to what your rig wants to play nice with. We can both install the same way in our machines and his reads 430 and mine reads 424, it happens, we work with it and learn to say that MY numbers are NOT the law to follow.
Aaron
Exactly true for other reasons as well, such as thermistor +/- tolerances, quantity being roasted, and more
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And now I am going to have to get a new Behmore. My old one is on it's last legs and I am thinking it'd probably be better to just order a whole new one and hangar queen this one. With the abuse it has taken over the years (and a few really good fires) it stood the test of time proudly but it's time to put it out to pasture.
Aaron
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SM posted a vid on Youtube comparing roasts at the 2 different drum speeds. I found the "flattening" vs brightness of the roasts interesting as well as the corresponding interior vs exterior color development comparison.
Behmor Plus Drum Speed Comparison (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OvY9EF1uhF0#ws)
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If anyone has had "success" in either/both the Yemen Haraaz Red++ or Ethiopian Natural Process Adado, let me know how you approached it (start, power drops and drum speeds). Both got a little too far on me and I lost most of the fruit in both.
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I too have found the Haraaz Red to be a challenge in the Behmor. It tends to get a lot of momentum as 1c starts and will blow right into 2c without much of a pause if I don't pull back on the heat soon enough. I am giving it very close attention in the last 5 min of the roast. I now start with 14 oz of green, 1#, P1 and reduce the time to 13 min. I hit start, p5 and D for fast drum speed. I look for 1c to start with 2:45 left and adjust if 1st pops are sooner (or later). I then check temp and press p4 to go to 75% power. I want to see temp drop just a few degrees. If it continues to rise I will go to P3 (50%) until I see it level off and back to P4 if it drops more that 4 degrees. As the cool cycle begins I immediately open the door, pull the tray, vac the chaff and dump in my cooling tray. Doing this I have had 2 good roasts after pooching the first 2 (On the SC/TO by pulling it early and letting the second attempt in the Behmor give a few snaps of second crack as the roast finished).
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Thanks Dave. Two questions - First, I've never done an auto setting and then lowered the time before the start. What does that do in light of the fact that your next action when started is to shift to manual control of the roast? Second, I see the wall thermistor temp drop when the exhaust kicks in, so are you noting that and watching for that "few degree drop" after that? I.e., temp rises, drops with the exhaust kick and again starts a climb.
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Dan,
I didn't really select a preset profile, it's just that P1 is the default. I was just going straight into manual mode and setting an estimated time based on average roast time. Essentially I hit it with full heat until 1c, then moderated same. As for wall thermistor temp, I don't pay much attention until 1c, so it is the second ramp up, particularly at the point of the "rosetta" time.
This got me thinking, so I did a roast tonight and experimented a bit. I used the P3 preset for a gentler drying phase, then at the 3 min mark switched to manual full power and increased drum speed. I used the wall temp to anticipate 1c and went to 75% power at a point that turned out to be 40 seconds before 1c. I maintained that heat setting through the end of the roast. 1c was steady and appeared not to stall. I'm excited about the result. Good even color. No surface oil. Good fragrance. Time will tell, but I have high hopes. This is a small dense bean with a unique roast behavior, but I think when the roast is nailed, the reward is stellar. Best of luck to all. I'll think good thoughts.
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Dave - OK on the clarification. I wondered if there was some game to play with the settings that I hadn't heard about! I'll be curious on how your test cups. Let us know. I'm enjoying the Yemen and Adado...just not the high notes I think I should be getting. Will shorten both up next time. Cheers...Dan
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I too have found the Haraaz Red to be a challenge in the Behmor.
It might not just be the Behmor.
I purchased some from a vendor and found it undrinkable.
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I got my best results using P4 profile on the Behmor 1600 for the Yemen Marqaha. With the Behmor Plus, I would probably use P4 as well and switch to manual mode at the start of first crack to rein in the roast from running away. Too bad the upgrade board is not yet available in Hong Kong.
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This got me thinking, so I did a roast tonight and experimented a bit. I used the P3 preset for a gentler drying phase, then at the 3 min mark switched to manual full power and increased drum speed. I used the wall temp to anticipate 1c and went to 75% power at a point that turned out to be 40 seconds before 1c. I maintained that heat setting through the end of the roast.
I tried this method on the Haraaz Red and had excellent results. Was able to keep temp consistant thru 1c and stopped at 2:15 after 1c which gave me a nice city + roast. After 5 days rest the coffee was phenomenal. Thanks Dave for the tip.
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This got me thinking, so I did a roast tonight and experimented a bit. I used the P3 preset for a gentler drying phase, then at the 3 min mark switched to manual full power and increased drum speed. I used the wall temp to anticipate 1c and went to 75% power at a point that turned out to be 40 seconds before 1c. I maintained that heat setting through the end of the roast.
I tried this method on the Haraaz Red and had excellent results. Was able to keep temp consistant thru 1c and stopped at 2:15 after 1c which gave me a nice city + roast. After 5 days rest the coffee was phenomenal. Thanks Dave for the tip.
You are most welcome. I'm happy to hear that you had similar success. I feel that the new controls are a significant improvement.
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somebody hear something about the new behmor ?? The connected customizable drum coffee roaster ??
Honestly , I am very happy with the plus version and don't see any reason to change.