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Coffee Discussion boards => Hardware & Equipment => Topic started by: BoldJava on December 17, 2011, 04:03:41 PM
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Burr upgrade, Virtuoso is now using Precisio burrs. Price has gone up $20.
Virutoso former burrs, model 585, $200.
New burrs on Virtuoso, model 586, $220.
(Units are $20 higher at Baratza.com)
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So can I upgrade the burrs in my Virtuoso to the Preciso burrs?
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Found the answer on Baratza's website $65 for the upgrade kit.
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So can I upgrade the burrs in my Virtuoso to the Preciso burrs?
Would you save me the trouble of late-night research and tell me why you'd swap the burrs? Thx.
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The Preciso burrs are suppose to create less fines.
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I wonder if they could put together a complete Virtuoso->Precisio upgrade kit that included the full adjustment mechanism, not just the burrs.
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How do you know if a grinder is a 585 or a 586?
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How do you know if a grinder is a 585 or a 586?
Now there's the question of the day!
:)
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How do you know if a grinder is a 585 or a 586?
I assume the 585 but you have to call Baratza. They have no references to the model numbers on the website or in their manuals. Go figure.
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I just sent them an email. I'll report back.
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How do you know if a grinder is a 585 or a 586?
Now there's the question of the day!
:)
I guess you're wondering how one would know *without seeing the burrs*, right? Because one look at those burrs would tell you for sure. More nice pics here, for example (in addition to those found in that Baratza blog post): http://www.orphanespresso.com/Baratza-Virtuoso-Preciso-User-Review_ep_627-1.html (http://www.orphanespresso.com/Baratza-Virtuoso-Preciso-User-Review_ep_627-1.html)
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If you see the burrs on the left in the photo below you have the new 586, if you have these below on the right you have the older 585.
(http://i39.tinypic.com/261ixrs.jpg)
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Well done Eric!
;)
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Also here is how you can know without looking at the burrs... according to Baratza the change occurred at serial 113306.
Also per Baratza The 586 burrs main advantage over the 585 is the quickness of grind, as the Preciso burrs grind beans at about twice the rate of the standard Virtuoso burrs.
. I may see if I can get a 586 and compare the two. I found out through their email they are in Bellevue.. about 20 minutes from my house.... I will see if I can get a group discount.
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Well done Larry!
:)
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Both Virtuoso models (and the Preciso) have a timer dial - if I am going for pour over/drip I twist the dial past where I know it will take for the grinding to finish and I go about setting the filter, cups, sealing the beans, or resetting the scale to fill my time with productivity - the new burrs will save maybe 10 - 12 seconds (that can be used productively as I noted) so someone needs to be sure that amount of time is material before spending more money over a deal on the older model.
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Personally, I noticed a definite step up in the press grind when upgrading from the old Virtuoso (585) to the Preciso. Have to admit I'm tempted to pick up a new Virtuoso (586) as a second/back-up grinder now that the Preciso burrs have been added.
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Makes sense if you look at the grind distribution graphs I posted.
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Makes sense if you look at the grind distribution graphs I posted.
Oh, I had, when they were posted and again today. I will let one of you statisticians explain them to me. I can even figure out what is being measured on each axis.
B|Java
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From Orphan Espresso's review Josh provided a link to earlier in this thread:
" The shots seemed very bright as compared with our VARIO using the same beans and machine.....we do not have enough experience to fully analyze the taste of the shot and this is highly subjective anyway, so we will leave this one alone. The VARIO was an extremely good learning tool for us during a phase of our espresso journey when we were putting together a lot of parameters that lead to a good and consistent shot. Much of our experience with the VARIO was applied directly to the VP and at this point we could easily substitute the VP for the VARIO as our main grinder. The MICRO settings do give one the feeling of having a very good range of control of the grind and once set up for a particular bean we found no wandering or variance of the grind."
This was written about the Preciso before the burr change - take it for what it is worth since they were selling these when this info was written...
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Yup, the adjustment seems like a must for espresso but I really need a good grinder for drip to replace the large bunn LPG. I just don't have time to make a new smaller case for it.