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Title: Tody vs large cold drip
Post by: az erik on January 06, 2013, 12:05:29 PM
Been thinking of getting a piece of 'art', the large cold drip from Yama, but wonder if that ends up being overkill vs something like a tody. For home/office use. Worth the extra $270? Or is it mainly for looks


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Title: Re: Tody vs large cold drip
Post by: Tex on January 06, 2013, 12:24:27 PM
Would the fancy glass & woodwork make better coffee than this?

(https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/public/Gv7xE2hXWKnbRpzRy3ZFq7Dm4_A7dZKs97mDG2cav9scUP2i5oKSa-145pYyJmJoQ1V94maQitxqaHb8rjisTd6xFS_m9azRo_96BhQFu4i9D5PVAXz1BzRRgRQvTRJqaA3UUUEjqz4AzYL3EZGSJ2nBAmLb5Kd7_d3d4Xg8YCPzHPgPeJ65dJ1rtjMBMpN1c5zryCASdyy5kUEyCNio9pNL=s220-c) (https://www.google.com/search?q=cold+coffee+toddy&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a#q=cold+coffee+toddy&hl=en&client=firefox-a&hs=e5x&tbo=u&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&source=univ&tbm=shop&sa=X&ei=Dd3pUI_DG4bL2QWP-4GwAw&ved=0CE4Qsxg&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.r_qf.&bvm=bv.1355534169,d.b2I&fp=2f048cec0688999b&bpcl=40096503&biw=697&bih=628)

Title: Re: Tody vs large cold drip
Post by: peter on January 06, 2013, 12:37:44 PM
I'm guessing you've had cold-brewed coffee and like it, yes? 

If not, try a cheap version before plunking down that kind of cash.  I personally don't like the results of cold-brewed as straight coffee; it loses too much and gets bland.  But I love the concentrate I get out of my Toddy (the one in Tex' picture; he has my Toddy along w/ Milo's Sono) for iced coffee drinks.
Title: Re: Tody vs large cold drip
Post by: Tex on January 06, 2013, 01:17:13 PM
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Title: Tody vs large cold drip
Post by: az erik on January 06, 2013, 02:04:00 PM
I usually end up doing an iced coffee at work via the areopress and a stainless frothing pitcher, toss it in the freezer for 20 min then pour.

I had a Yama once, but that was from Press roasters about 2 years ago. I got lucky, they say the sell out of it usually by 9am. Phoenix is really a place for ice, when its usually over 55 degrees in winter.

I figured a Tody would be the way to go as its cheap, but at some point I will have a complete room/lab devoted to brewing, possibly have to include roasting too. I was thinking that the Yama would be about the same quality in the cup as there isn't too many factors at play in cold brew. And I figured if you guys set soda cap pours to rock music you most likely already ran this silly scenario.


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Title: Tody vs large cold drip
Post by: bekeld on January 06, 2013, 03:07:06 PM
Quote from: Tex on January 06, 2013, 12:24:27 PM
Would the fancy glass & woodwork make better coffee than this?

(https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/public/Gv7xE2hXWKnbRpzRy3ZFq7Dm4_A7dZKs97mDG2cav9scUP2i5oKSa-145pYyJmJoQ1V94maQitxqaHb8rjisTd6xFS_m9azRo_96BhQFu4i9D5PVAXz1BzRRgRQvTRJqaA3UUUEjqz4AzYL3EZGSJ2nBAmLb5Kd7_d3d4Xg8YCPzHPgPeJ65dJ1rtjMBMpN1c5zryCASdyy5kUEyCNio9pNL=s220-c) (https://www.google.com/search?q=cold+coffee+toddy&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a#q=cold+coffee+toddy&hl=en&client=firefox-a&hs=e5x&tbo=u&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&source=univ&tbm=shop&sa=X&ei=Dd3pUI_DG4bL2QWP-4GwAw&ved=0CE4Qsxg&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.r_qf.&bvm=bv.1355534169,d.b2I&fp=2f048cec0688999b&bpcl=40096503&biw=697&bih=628)
What he said. This is da bomb!!
Title: Re: Tody vs large cold drip
Post by: jano on January 07, 2013, 10:12:40 AM
I tried the AP cold drip thingy during the summer.  Couldn't get the dripper part thingy to work right.  A needle-valve setup with some lab equipment (the words ring stand, erlenmyer and solution doohickey ring a bell to me, but its been years) would probably yield similar results to the yama without prettiness and at 1/3 the cost.  Another option would be to explore the tiamo cold brew thingamabob that is the cheap alternative to the hario cold drip, OE offers it for sale on their wholesale site, unclear whether it can be purchased individually or comes as a case of multiple units..
Title: Re: Tody vs large cold drip
Post by: Tex on January 07, 2013, 10:22:18 AM
Ever see the cold-brew setup at Blue Bottle in San Francisco?

(https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTnj3p0SNrdLyvtc0FcZVXFFrwchRS05BdzgTHl6jr41gUaiER_) (http://www.bluebottlecoffee.net/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/2011-9_Fortune_150-1.pdf)

Super cool way to make coffee (pun intended)!
Title: Re: Tody vs large cold drip
Post by: az erik on January 07, 2013, 12:41:45 PM
All good info!

Yackster, I havn't been to Press in 2 years, I remember liking it but I did't fall head over heals for it. I had that cold brew Yama and a mocha, it was 55 that day I think :) I didn't flip oiut at Intelligencia either for a single shot. Stumptown though, they got me. I had 3 doubles before leaving. Thanks for the above as well.

I can get a Tody for sub $45 I think. It's just monsterous and I believe is meant for the fridge as well over night. I have room randomly. The art installation though could sit next to my counter machine, on top of the wine cooler :) This does actually point the finger at the fact I never actually have had cold brew except that time at Press. If I go the science fair AP route I'll skip the whole drilling and use one of my JG valves and line. Wondering what the 'cold temp' of the water is supposed to be I might be able to tap directly into my cold line on my fridge for the dripper.
Title: Re: Tody vs large cold drip
Post by: Tex on January 07, 2013, 12:57:35 PM
Something like this would be a good start. Maybe even a distillation kit to ensure pure water?
Title: Re: Tody vs large cold drip
Post by: SJM on January 07, 2013, 12:59:56 PM
Quote from: az erik on January 07, 2013, 12:41:45 PM
got me. I had 3 doubles before leaving. Thanks for the above as well.

I can get a Tody for sub $45 I think. It's just monsterous and I believe is meant for the fridge as well over night.


Looks like it's $38. at Amazon right now
http://www.amazon.com/Toddy-Coffee-Maker-Extra-Filters/dp/B0040ZR0VS/ref=pd_sim_k_6 (http://www.amazon.com/Toddy-Coffee-Maker-Extra-Filters/dp/B0040ZR0VS/ref=pd_sim_k_6)
and I don't think it needs to brew in the fridge.  At least I've never seen it brewed except out on a counter....

Susan
Title: Re: Tody vs large cold drip
Post by: az erik on January 07, 2013, 01:02:05 PM
Quote from: Tex on January 07, 2013, 12:57:35 PM
Something like this would be a good start. Maybe even a distillation kit to ensure pure water?

I saw this same kit on Drugs Inc.   :o
Title: Re: Tody vs large cold drip
Post by: Tex on January 07, 2013, 01:05:39 PM
Quote from: az erik on January 07, 2013, 01:02:05 PM
Quote from: Tex on January 07, 2013, 12:57:35 PM
Something like this would be a good start. Maybe even a distillation kit to ensure pure water?


I saw this same kit on Drugs Inc.   :o


Or try Amazon? (http://www.amazon.com/Laboratory-Distillation-Includes-Condenser-Distilling/dp/B005GXL9JM/ref=cm_cr_pr_product_top)
(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/314dk%2BsKlBL._SL500_AA300_.jpg)
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Title: Re: Tody vs large cold drip
Post by: az erik on January 07, 2013, 02:51:31 PM
My RO filter yields 11ppm, pure enough? I, at least used to think, was from the school of thought we need some solids for 'correct' flavors in the brew, or is that hot only kind of thinking.
Title: Re: Tody vs large cold drip
Post by: John F on January 08, 2013, 05:42:03 AM
11 ppm is pretty clean.

Title: Re: Tody vs large cold drip
Post by: peter on January 08, 2013, 09:57:05 AM
When I first installed my RO it was down around 4-5ppm, but now it runs around 18ppm.

To Erik's question, about solids (minerals) in water, the only time I've seen that come up is with regard to espresso.  I doubt it would make much difference in cold-brewing methods.

Maybe I should do an experiment using both my RO water, and the conditioned water going into my Vivaldi...
Title: Re: Tody vs large cold drip
Post by: az erik on January 08, 2013, 10:10:09 AM
For my Vivaldi I have a Kinetico 4060s w/ 75 #'s of carbon block, filtering Chandler tap water, which constantly has high arsenic levels. My RO taps off this through 3 sediment filters -> membrain -> coconut post filter. I think the sweetness I get from the coconut post whatever helps 'flavor' whatever I drip or press at home. I guess I have a very fast and easy way to test between the two if I use hot water from the S1. But I'm pretty sure the S1's boiler adds a little brass flavor. so it would be a bit harder to tell, I could add a T pre Coconut or pre S1. The water filters at work are out of my control and always bad so it's not really a good test bed.
Title: Re: Tody vs large cold drip
Post by: Tex on January 08, 2013, 10:21:51 AM
Quote from: peter on January 08, 2013, 09:57:05 AM
When I first installed my RO it was down around 4-5ppm, but now it runs around 18ppm.

To Erik's question, about solids (minerals) in water, the only time I've seen that come up is with regard to espresso.  I doubt it would make much difference in cold-brewing methods.

Maybe I should do an experiment using both my RO water, and the conditioned water going into my Vivaldi...

Yeah, but who're you going to get to cup it to tell if there's a difference? :P
Title: Re: Tody vs large cold drip
Post by: az erik on January 08, 2013, 10:25:13 AM
Hopefully someone who knows how and has a spoon:)  BTW how would one cup a cold brew? Though a straw?
Title: Re: Tody vs large cold drip
Post by: peter on January 08, 2013, 10:25:31 AM
My filter setup for espresso has the carbon/sediment filter, plus a softening cartidge which leaves some minerals, and then goes to a pressure regulator on which I added a ball valve for drawing water to test the softness.  That way, the water hasn't gone through the Vivaldi's boiler.  Who knows if once-heated water get shifted in flavors, but I'd avoid that variable for this highly scientific experiment.  ;D
Title: Re: Tody vs large cold drip
Post by: Tex on January 08, 2013, 10:50:23 AM
Peter pays close attention to the details.
(http://echopen.files.wordpress.com/2008/03/gary-larsons-the-farside.gif?w=630)
Title: Re: Tody vs large cold drip
Post by: John F on January 08, 2013, 02:18:58 PM
Exactly like testing brewed coffee TDS it depends precisely on what those S's are.

But as far as I know I'm the only one beating that point to death when it comes up on gold cup testing.

4, 11, 29, or 228 ppm of some things in water and would hardly know or care. Other things might turn your water to junk in a hurry.