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Title: Artigiano 2.5 # shop roaster/Ebay
Post by: 4thJohn on March 27, 2009, 07:02:07 PM
http://tinyurl.com/c355rq (http://tinyurl.com/c355rq)
Title: Re: Artigiano 2.5 # shop roaster/Ebay
Post by: peter on March 27, 2009, 07:40:30 PM
Scammer-alert!
Title: Re: Artigiano 2.5 # shop roaster/Ebay
Post by: 7over on March 27, 2009, 08:41:18 PM
Peter,
Other than the fact that the seller does not seem to have ever sold anything on ebay before this item...And they just joined ebay ... today... I'm curious about your judgement that this must be a scam. Can you give any other evidence?  ;D

See you tomorrow.
Title: Re: Artigiano 2.5 # shop roaster/Ebay
Post by: kelppaddy on March 27, 2009, 08:46:48 PM
Shipping and handling for $25?  ?????????

kp
Title: Re: Artigiano 2.5 # shop roaster/Ebay
Post by: peter on March 27, 2009, 09:22:38 PM
Quote from: 7over on March 27, 2009, 08:41:18 PM
Peter,
Other than the fact that the seller does not seem to have ever sold anything on ebay before this item...And they just joined ebay ... today... I'm curious about your judgement that this must be a scam. Can you give any other evidence?  ;D

See you tomorrow.


Ya got to get up pretty early in the mornin' to pull one over on us guys.   8)
Title: Re: Artigiano 2.5 # shop roaster/Ebay
Post by: kelppaddy on March 28, 2009, 06:44:20 AM
Hmmmm, it does end on April Fool's Day.   ;)

kp
Title: Re: Artigiano 2.5 # shop roaster/Ebay
Post by: mp on March 28, 2009, 07:31:53 AM
Quote from: kelppaddy on March 27, 2009, 08:46:48 PM
Shipping and handling for $25?  ?????????

kp

Good question kelppaddy ... 92 pounds shipped for $25.  On the other hand most people won't spring for a $1500.00 roaster.  You may get a bargain at that price for a 2.5 kilo roaster.

Any takers?

 :)
Title: Re: Artigiano 2.5 # shop roaster/Ebay
Post by: peter on March 28, 2009, 08:32:35 AM
I'll make you a sweet deal mp; you buy it, and then I'll buy it from you at twice the price.


I also like how the pics are obviously taken from the web.
Title: Re: Artigiano 2.5 # shop roaster/Ebay
Post by: mp on March 28, 2009, 09:26:15 AM
Quote from: peter on March 28, 2009, 08:32:35 AM
I'll make you a sweet deal mp; you buy it, and then I'll buy it from you at twice the price.

I also like how the pics are obviously taken from the web.

To be honest Peter ... it would be overkill for my coffee consumption habits.  I wouldn't buy it even if it was only 2 hundred bucks.

So you figure this guy is a sheister eh?

 :)
Title: Re: Artigiano 2.5 # shop roaster/Ebay
Post by: Tex on March 28, 2009, 09:54:38 AM
Quote from: peter on March 27, 2009, 07:40:30 PM
Scammer-alert!

you've nothing to lose by bidding on it! PayPal protects the buyer very well, and if it doesn't show up on your doorstep you've lost nothing.
Title: Re: Artigiano 2.5 # shop roaster/Ebay
Post by: jspain on March 28, 2009, 10:28:58 AM
I just sent the seller several questions to answer.... I'll let you know if I get a response. I volunteered to come see the unit. Jim
Title: Re: Artigiano 2.5 # shop roaster/Ebay
Post by: mp on March 28, 2009, 10:33:12 AM
Quote from: jspain on March 28, 2009, 10:28:58 AM
I just sent the seller several questions to answer.... I'll let you know if I get a response. I volunteered to come see the unit. Jim

Yeah ... I would be interested to see the result of that!

 :)
Title: Re: Artigiano 2.5 # shop roaster/Ebay
Post by: Stubbie on March 28, 2009, 10:36:28 AM
If you can get it for $1500 - it's worth it.  I wouldn't sell my well used one for that price. :)

-Stubbie
Title: Re: Artigiano 2.5 # shop roaster/Ebay
Post by: ButtWhiskers on March 28, 2009, 10:40:39 AM
Quote from: Tex on March 28, 2009, 09:54:38 AM
Quote from: peter on March 27, 2009, 07:40:30 PM
Scammer-alert!

you've nothing to lose by bidding on it! PayPal protects the buyer very well, and if it doesn't show up on your doorstep you've lost nothing.
  • Worst case scenario: Your money is tied up in the dispute process for a month.
  • Best case scenario: You get a decent 5 pound roaster on the cheap.

Worst case scenario: Your money is tied up in the dispute process for 4 months, then they close the dispute on a technicality.  BELIEVE ME, I have been through this...

One of their tricks is to get you to make an additional payment, for 'insurance' or 'additional packaging' or something.  If you make two payments for one shipment, buyer protection is VOIDED.  Note that on this particular auction, there is an optional cart.  If you make a second payment, that could be used to trigger the 'two payments' clause.

A savvy scammer will send you something with tracking/signature, and then use that number to contest it, and say that you are scamming them.  During the entire period of the dispute, there are lots of hoops to jump through, and if you inadvertently miss one, you might find yourself screwed, blued, and tattooed.

Even if you used a credit card, you risk having PayPal freeze your account if you reverse the charges before they have closed the dispute, or put a sudden hold on funds (that may have a cascading effect).

As peter inferred, if something looks too good to be true, it probably is.   Folks don't just appear on eBay with such an auction immediately upon registering, unless they have been out there before, and don't have their original account for some reason...   ::)

An additional note:  the return policy is 'not specified'.  That means that the guy could send you pieces and parts of this roaster, or even a poster of it, then when you complain he could have you return it at your expense for a refund minus shipping and a restocking fee.  This is another scam that gets used, because if the seller agrees to a refund, then the onus is on you to return the item, have him sign for it, and then if you have done everything properly you can still be dinged with fees (PayPal allows this).  15% of $1500 is $225 - so there is a pretty significant risk here...
Title: Re: Artigiano 2.5 # shop roaster/Ebay
Post by: Tex on March 28, 2009, 11:06:21 AM
I guess most folks would've been suspicious of the brand-new, nearly-complete Sonofresco I got for $225? A calculated risk can pay off big-time, but it's always a risk -   Not for the weak of heart! 

Title: Re: Artigiano 2.5 # shop roaster/Ebay
Post by: John F on March 28, 2009, 11:56:04 AM
I would never send $1,500 to somebody with zero feedback.

I like to take risks but not like that. :-\



Title: Re: Artigiano 2.5 # shop roaster/Ebay
Post by: ButtWhiskers on March 28, 2009, 12:20:29 PM
Quote from: Tex on March 28, 2009, 11:06:21 AM
I guess most folks would've been suspicious of the brand-new, nearly-complete Sonofresco I got for $225? [/i]
On eBay, from someone with zero feedback, that just registered the same day as the auction started?
Title: Re: Artigiano 2.5 # shop roaster/Ebay
Post by: Tex on March 28, 2009, 12:32:21 PM
Quote from: ButtWhiskers on March 28, 2009, 12:20:29 PM
Quote from: Tex on March 28, 2009, 11:06:21 AM
I guess most folks would've been suspicious of the brand-new, nearly-complete Sonofresco I got for $225?
On eBay, from someone with zero feedback, that just registered the same day as the auction started?

Like I said, "Not for the weak of heart!"  

I've done enough business on eBay that I figure my risk is controllable. I'll be bidding on this, so the rest of you lay off, OK?

 ;)
Title: Re: Artigiano 2.5 # shop roaster/Ebay
Post by: John F on March 28, 2009, 12:42:19 PM
Quote from: Tex on March 28, 2009, 12:32:21 PM
Like I said, "Not for the weak of heart!"  

Nerves of steel there super Tex....bid with vigor.  :icon_thumleft:
Title: Re: Artigiano 2.5 # shop roaster/Ebay
Post by: mp on March 28, 2009, 01:13:04 PM
Quote from: Tex on March 28, 2009, 12:32:21 PM
Like I said, "Not for the weak of heart!"  

I've done enough business on eBay that I figure my risk is controllable. I'll be bidding on this, so the rest of you lay off, OK?

 ;)

Way to go Robert!  I'll be very interested to hear your experience with this.

 :)

Title: Re: Artigiano 2.5 # shop roaster/Ebay
Post by: ButtWhiskers on March 28, 2009, 02:02:32 PM
Quote from: Tex on March 28, 2009, 12:32:21 PM
I've done enough business on eBay that I figure my risk is controllable.
Having had the same eBay account since 1996 when there were less than 40,000 members, and joining PayPal a month after it started in 2000, I had the same delusions - until I got screwed outta a couple large.  Good luck, Tex, you got cojones like cantaloupes.
Title: Re: Artigiano 2.5 # shop roaster/Ebay
Post by: Tex on March 28, 2009, 03:22:55 PM
Quote from: ButtWhiskers on March 28, 2009, 02:02:32 PM
Quote from: Tex on March 28, 2009, 12:32:21 PM
I've done enough business on eBay that I figure my risk is controllable.
Having had the same eBay account since 1996 when there were less than 40,000 members, and joining PayPal a month after it started in 2000, I had the same delusions - until I got screwed outta a couple large.  Good luck, Tex, you got cojones like cantaloupes.

That's a wee exaggeration, govner!

Grapefruit maybe!

Title: Re: Artigiano 2.5 # shop roaster/Ebay
Post by: peter on March 28, 2009, 03:42:37 PM
I don't see any bids on it grapefruit man.
Title: Re: Artigiano 2.5 # shop roaster/Ebay
Post by: jspain on March 28, 2009, 03:57:03 PM
Well everyone here it is! Straight off the hotwire........! It's been since yesterday and for some reason....NO RESPONSE FROM THE SELLER ON MY QUESTIONS! I JUST DON"T UNDERSTAND!

I'll bet he's over caring for his sick Mother-In-Law and has no internet access to answer my questions.... I'll keep you posted. Jim
Title: Re: Artigiano 2.5 # shop roaster/Ebay
Post by: kelppaddy on March 28, 2009, 05:19:43 PM
The actural weight is 131.7# with the chaff collector...$25 shipping is quite a deal!  And I see it has a bid now.   ;)

kp
Title: Re: Artigiano 2.5 # shop roaster/Ebay
Post by: Tex on March 28, 2009, 08:05:03 PM
Quote from: peter on March 28, 2009, 03:42:37 PM
I don't see any bids on it grapefruit man.

I'm one of those sneaky snipe-bidders - shhh!

Title: Re: Artigiano 2.5 # shop roaster/Ebay
Post by: Tex on March 28, 2009, 08:12:04 PM
Quote from: jspain on March 28, 2009, 03:57:03 PM
Well everyone here it is! Straight off the hotwire........! It's been since yesterday and for some reason....NO RESPONSE FROM THE SELLER ON MY QUESTIONS! I JUST DON"T UNDERSTAND!

I'll bet he's over caring for his sick Mother-In-Law and has no internet access to answer my questions.... I'll keep you posted. Jim

Or maybe, the seller is running an 8 - 5, M - F business & doesn't monitor his business email on days off? :o

Title: Re: Artigiano 2.5 # shop roaster/Ebay
Post by: mp on March 28, 2009, 10:53:02 PM
Quote from: peter on March 28, 2009, 03:42:37 PM
I don't see any bids on it grapefruit man.

Along with his grapefruit he is Mr. Snipe man.

 ;D
Title: Re: Artigiano 2.5 # shop roaster/Ebay
Post by: John F on March 28, 2009, 10:57:16 PM
Quote from: mp on March 28, 2009, 10:53:02 PM
Along with his grapefruit he is Mr. Snipe man.


Snipe-er man
Snipe-er man...
Does whatever a snipe-er can
Catches deals
Just in time
No feedback...he doesn't mind
Here comes the snipe-er MAAAAAANNN!!  8)

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4o29VoxtsFk[/youtube]
Title: Re: Artigiano 2.5 # shop roaster/Ebay
Post by: peter on March 29, 2009, 06:39:54 AM
Wish I had $1500 to throw out the window.   :-\
Title: Re: Artigiano 2.5 # shop roaster/Ebay
Post by: Tex on March 29, 2009, 09:38:33 AM
It's the classic economics conundrum; Risk Aversion - The unwillingness to take a risk a unless the risk is eliminated. There's no right or wrong implied; some folks are risk averse and some see the value of a calculated risk. Seems like most folks here fall into the former group?

Title: Re: Artigiano 2.5 # shop roaster/Ebay
Post by: John F on March 29, 2009, 11:15:38 AM
Quote from: Tex on March 29, 2009, 09:38:33 AM
It's the classic economics conundrum; Risk Aversion - The unwillingness to take a risk a unless the risk is eliminated. There's no right or wrong implied; some folks are risk averse and some see the value of a calculated risk. Seems like most folks here fall into the former group?

Hahahaha!

It's not like the choices are to take (zero risk) or (all known risk) without any risk analysis involved.

Key points to consider are zero feedback, better than normal deal, not answering bidder questions....if you continue to find question marks along a long enough time line bold risk taking can become reckless gambling... :-X 
Title: Re: Artigiano 2.5 # shop roaster/Ebay
Post by: peter on March 29, 2009, 11:26:09 AM
Quote from: John F on March 29, 2009, 11:15:38 AM
Quote from: Tex on March 29, 2009, 09:38:33 AM
It's the classic economics conundrum; Risk Aversion - The unwillingness to take a risk a unless the risk is eliminated. There's no right or wrong implied; some folks are risk averse and some see the value of a calculated risk. Seems like most folks here fall into the former group?

Hahahaha!

It's not like the choices are to take (zero risk) or (all known risk) without any risk analysis involved.

Key points to consider are zero feedback, better than normal deal, not answering bidder questions....if you continue to find question marks along a long enough time line bold risk taking can become reckless gambling... :-X 

And there's plenty of ways to lose money w/ egay and paypal, as BW attested to.

Quote
# Worst case scenario: Your money is tied up in the dispute process for a month.

That may not be the worst case scenario.  You need to be prepared to lose some or all of it.  And the hours it may take to resolve it, even if you do get  your money back, is not something I'd want to deal with it.

I hope you get it.  I wish mp would get it, and sell it to me for twice the amount.
Title: Re: Artigiano 2.5 # shop roaster/Ebay
Post by: Tex on March 29, 2009, 12:39:24 PM
It's pretty simple really; if you're going to play the eBay game you'd better learn to play by the rules. But that goes for any purchase; read the fine print before you buy! As for the zero rating - every eBay seller starts with zero, that's no reason to avoid bidding. And sellers often start a $1000 item with a $1 bid, knowing that knowledgeable bidders will understand the starting bid isn't where the final bidding will end.

eBay has very strong buyer protections built into their buying/selling agreements. I've made some pretty good buys over the years and one or two stinkers. I've also ended up selling stuff for a lot less than I thought it was worth, but that's part of the eBay game too. All I can say is that if you don't read the fine print you're going to get burned.

I don't understand some of the cynicism shown here. Are you guys trying to hold bidding down so you can slip in at the last second with cheap winning bids? Or are you so paternalistic that you're trying to be the shield that protects everyone?  ::)

Title: Re: Artigiano 2.5 # shop roaster/Ebay
Post by: John F on March 29, 2009, 12:51:05 PM
Quote from: Tex on March 29, 2009, 12:39:24 PM
Are you guys trying to hold bidding down so you can slip in at the last second with cheap winning bids?

I seriously doubt it.

I guess I can only speak for myself but I doubt the thing even exists so I would not bid $20 on it.

I don't think you are going to bid on it either.  :-\
Title: Re: Artigiano 2.5 # shop roaster/Ebay
Post by: jspain on March 29, 2009, 02:45:20 PM
Well day two has passed and no response to my questions from the seller???? I'm sure Tex is right! He's probably still at his mother-in-laws taking care of his family and he won't email me until he gets to work tomorrow. I am holding my breath! I'm getting faint with anticipation!

I'm sure he'll email tomorrow and we can all bid at once! Jim I'll let you ALL KNOW as soon as he responds!
Title: Re: Artigiano 2.5 # shop roaster/Ebay
Post by: J.Jirehs Roaster on March 29, 2009, 02:54:01 PM
Quote from: jspain on March 29, 2009, 02:45:20 PM
Well day two has passed and no response to my questions from the seller???? I'm sure Tex is right! He's probably still at his mother-in-laws taking care of his family and he won't email me until he gets to work tomorrow. I am holding my breath! I'm getting faint with anticipation!

I'm sure he'll email tomorrow and we can all bid at once! Jim I'll let you ALL KNOW as soon as he responds!

BREATH!!!!!  you cant hold your breath till Monday... For the Love of ALL that is good... BREATH!!!!
Title: Re: Artigiano 2.5 # shop roaster/Ebay
Post by: Tex on March 29, 2009, 05:01:38 PM
Quote from: freshcoffee on March 27, 2009, 07:02:07 PM
[url]http://tinyurl.com/c355rq[/url] ([url]http://tinyurl.com/c355rq[/url])

You guys think John is doing this as an April Fools joke? Personally, I suspect all Texans are
(http://saraschaefer.com/ss/Bull%20-%20Potty%202.gif)!
Title: Re: Artigiano 2.5 # shop roaster/Ebay
Post by: mp on March 29, 2009, 05:39:04 PM
Quote from: Tex on March 29, 2009, 05:01:38 PM
You guys think John is doing this as an April Fools joke? Personally, I suspect all Texans are
I can smell the newly roasted coffee in Robert's new roaster in Pearland right now.

 :)
Title: Re: Artigiano 2.5 # shop roaster/Ebay
Post by: jspain on March 30, 2009, 12:20:46 PM
Well day three from my asking questions from this seller and still no response. I'm really starting to feel terrible about his mother-in-law. This poor fellow never made it back to work to even answer my email questions????? I'll bet Tex is getting ready to fly to Kentucky to help this poor family out!

How will he be able to get this roaster delivered? How will he be able to even make the deposit of his incoming funds? I'm feeling sorry for this guy. Business is either so fast and furious he can't even answer his email questions or that poor mother-in-law is in really bad shape. Maybe we should all go together and make a bid in behalf of the club? This poor guy needs our help?

"My tongue is sticking so hard against my cheek my jaw hurts!"
Title: Re: Artigiano 2.5 # shop roaster/Ebay
Post by: ButtWhiskers on March 30, 2009, 12:50:40 PM
Quote from: Tex on March 29, 2009, 12:39:24 PM
I don't understand some of the cynicism shown here.
Some folks don't understand PT Barnum, either...

Title: Re: Artigiano 2.5 # shop roaster/Ebay
Post by: peter on March 31, 2009, 07:24:07 PM
Sniper Tex, are you ready?
Title: Re: Artigiano 2.5 # shop roaster/Ebay
Post by: Tex on March 31, 2009, 07:57:09 PM
Quote from: peter on March 31, 2009, 07:24:07 PM
Sniper Tex, are you ready?


(http://wpcontent.answers.com/wikipedia/en/thumb/2/2b/Edit_4x_rifle_scope.jpg/180px-Edit_4x_rifle_scope.jpg)

Zeroed in and ready, Sir!
Title: Re: Artigiano 2.5 # shop roaster/Ebay
Post by: John F on March 31, 2009, 08:49:21 PM
Quote from: peter on March 31, 2009, 07:24:07 PM
Sniper Tex, are you ready?


Hahahahaha!   ;D
Title: Re: Artigiano 2.5 # shop roaster/Ebay
Post by: jspain on April 01, 2009, 06:07:16 AM
Quote from: Tex on March 31, 2009, 07:57:09 PM
Quote from: peter on March 31, 2009, 07:24:07 PM
Sniper Tex, are you ready?


([url]http://wpcontent.answers.com/wikipedia/en/thumb/2/2b/Edit_4x_rifle_scope.jpg/180px-Edit_4x_rifle_scope.jpg[/url])

Zeroed in and ready, Sir!



Hey Tex!

Did you buy the roaster? I went to the posting and it was removed??? I may have missed the deadline or........ it was removed? Gosh, I never did get my answers...!

Smiles, Jim
Title: Re: Artigiano 2.5 # shop roaster/Ebay
Post by: Dante on April 01, 2009, 06:41:32 AM
Quote from: jspain on April 01, 2009, 06:07:16 AM
Hey Tex!

Did you buy the roaster? I went to the posting and it was removed??? I may have missed the deadline or........ it was removed? Gosh, I never did get my answers...!

Smiles, Jim


Not only was the listing removed, the seller (http://myworld.ebay.com/westrob98/) himself is no longer registered!  ???
Title: Re: Artigiano 2.5 # shop roaster/Ebay
Post by: John F on April 01, 2009, 07:02:01 AM
What have we learned here?

 :icon_scratch:
Title: Re: Artigiano 2.5 # shop roaster/Ebay
Post by: jspain on April 01, 2009, 07:32:17 AM
Quote from: John F on April 01, 2009, 07:02:01 AM
What have we learned here?

 :icon_scratch:

We've learned to not let our Mother-In-laws get sick during ebay postings! Family first.

I'm actually pretty lucky. Over the years I've only been scammed once on ebay and purchase agreements on the web. I've made many transactions and I am a trusting sole, but this one stuck out like a sore thumb. Jim
Title: Re: Artigiano 2.5 # shop roaster/Ebay
Post by: peter on April 01, 2009, 09:03:48 AM
So what are you telling us, you're a trusting shoe or a trusting fish?  I don't understand.   ;D
Title: Re: Artigiano 2.5 # shop roaster/Ebay
Post by: jspain on April 01, 2009, 10:36:34 AM
Quote from: jspain on April 01, 2009, 07:32:17 AM
Quote from: John F on April 01, 2009, 07:02:01 AM
What have we learned here?

 :icon_scratch:

We've learned to not let our Mother-In-laws get sick during ebay postings! Family first.

I'm actually pretty lucky. Over the years I've only been scammed once on ebay and purchase agreements on the web. I've made many transactions and I am a trusting sole, but this one stuck out like a sore thumb. Jim

Spelling was never my best subject... Still isn't.... probably never will be..... soul  :angel:
Title: Re: Artigiano 2.5 # shop roaster/Ebay
Post by: peter on April 01, 2009, 10:49:57 AM
Figured I could razz you on it Jim, since I know your soul is safe.
Title: Re: Artigiano 2.5 # shop roaster/Ebay
Post by: jspain on April 01, 2009, 10:52:56 AM
Quote from: peter on April 01, 2009, 10:49:57 AM
Figured I could razz you on it Jim, since I know your soul is safe.

You can my friend, you can!
Title: Re: Artigiano 2.5 # shop roaster/Ebay
Post by: J.Jirehs Roaster on April 01, 2009, 11:17:07 AM
Quote from: peter on April 01, 2009, 09:03:48 AM
So what are you telling us, you're a trusting shoe or a trusting fish?  I don't understand.   ;D

It's just plane mean all the razzing us poor unfortunate miss spellers get.... ~~pout~~  The time has come to put our foot down and ... well in the words of the last great cause like this... "lysdectics of the world.. untie!!!"

Their, I got it off my chest.. now I feal more better   ;D
Title: Re: Artigiano 2.5 # shop roaster/Ebay
Post by: peter on April 01, 2009, 11:22:19 AM
With you, OTOH, it wouldn't be razzing, Bill.    lysdectics...  that's very clever.
Title: Re: Artigiano 2.5 # shop roaster/Ebay
Post by: J.Jirehs Roaster on April 01, 2009, 11:27:10 AM
Quote from: peter on April 01, 2009, 11:22:19 AM
With you, OTOH, it wouldn't be razzing, Bill.    lysdectics...  that's very clever.

What did I spell that wrong too?!?!?!  ;)