I'll be at coffee fest tomorrow.
I might be willing to pick up an extra KONE or two if anyone is interested.
Especially if buying bulk brings down the price!
If you don't know what the KONE is than you probably don't want one.
If you do, then you know this will be the first time and place that they will be made available for purchase.
Mark
They retail for $50.
I am hoping if I buy enough that I will qualify for wholesale pricing.
Wholesale is probably around $30?
I'm in! :notworthy: (you guys are SERIOUS about coffee toys)
A couple things...
1. I need everyone to tell me if they would still be interested in one in if is at retail cost. I'm trying for wholesale, but no guarantee.
2. Shipping will be $11 on top of the price.
...
... I think it could be my newest favorite way to brew coffee.
I'm in! :notworthy: (you guys are SERIOUS about coffee toys)
Watch, by 8am, HeadChange will be in.
B|Java
I'm in for the long haul. :)
...
I've got a few ideas for the future though.
Of which I think when everything was said and done and our discount had been promoted not only here but at CG, Alt. etc... we had sold thousands of units for Newco. of today when I call Newco I buy everything at their highest discount, I was told by their sales people that we have sold more units than any of their accounts.
Just purchased this from their website, with gcbc 20% discount.
Peter,
The KONE provides a wonderful combination of body that nears that of a french press, but allows a lot more of the acidity of the coffee to shine through without any of the oils being lost. It is designed to allow some fine grinds through, but not sludgy sediment like you'd get in a press.
Mark
Does a Swiss gold filter produce a similar body as a French press?
Does a Swiss gold filter produce a similar body as a French press?
Also, I believe the SG filter allows a too-fast flow.
Good question. Maybe Keith can answer some questions tonight when he's off of work. I plan on using the Kone with my 8 cup chemex. I think Keith can probably address how his kone differs from a gold cone filter since he experimented with multiple ways to do brew coffee but wasn't happy with any of them.
Mark
Good question. Maybe Keith can answer some questions tonight when he's off of work. I plan on using the Kone with my 8 cup chemex. I think Keith can probably address how his kone differs from a gold cone filter since he experimented with multiple ways to do brew coffee but wasn't happy with any of them.
Mark
Ahh I see the 8 cup version has the proper filter holder. At least you can pick up a chemex for $36 ;)
Good question. Maybe Keith can answer some questions tonight when he's off of work. I plan on using the Kone with my 8 cup chemex. I think Keith can probably address how his kone differs from a gold cone filter since he experimented with multiple ways to do brew coffee but wasn't happy with any of them.
Mark
Ahh I see the 8 cup version has the proper filter holder. At least you can pick up a chemex for $36 ;)
What makes you so set against this thing, without having tried it? Those who have seem to think it's worthwhile. But you're willing to poo-poo right off the bat.
Good question. Maybe Keith can answer some questions tonight when he's off of work. I plan on using the Kone with my 8 cup chemex. I think Keith can probably address how his kone differs from a gold cone filter since he experimented with multiple ways to do brew coffee but wasn't happy with any of them.
Mark
Ahh I see the 8 cup version has the proper filter holder. At least you can pick up a chemex for $36 ;)
What makes you so set against this thing, without having tried it? Those who have seem to think it's worthwhile. But you're willing to poo-poo right off the bat.
It's very simple Peter, ready?.....$50 for a piece of bent foil. I don't care if it's made by monks at the top of Mt. Everest I don't see how a cone of metal should be more than $10
Good question. Maybe Keith can answer some questions tonight when he's off of work. I plan on using the Kone with my 8 cup chemex. I think Keith can probably address how his kone differs from a gold cone filter since he experimented with multiple ways to do brew coffee but wasn't happy with any of them.
Mark
Ahh I see the 8 cup version has the proper filter holder. At least you can pick up a chemex for $36 ;)
What makes you so set against this thing, without having tried it? Those who have seem to think it's worthwhile. But you're willing to poo-poo right off the bat.
It's very simple Peter, ready?.....$50 for a piece of bent foil. I don't care if it's made by monks at the top of Mt. Everest I don't see how a cone of metal should be more than $10
The dude explained in a very forthright manner what his manufacturing costs are and with our discount he's not banking much if anything. Just because you think it's a piece of bent foil and shouldn't cost more than $10, doesn't mean a thing.
So, you're against this thing because you feel people are being scammed. That's very valiant of you, protector of the poor masses who are all to willing to open their wallets.
But... if the guys costs are genuine (and you should be at least a wee bit appreciative that he's wanting to produce it here and not in China) and it produces a better cup, why not let the Kone stand on it's own merit and not be Mr. Negative?
Good question. Maybe Keith can answer some questions tonight when he's off of work. I plan on using the Kone with my 8 cup chemex. I think Keith can probably address how his kone differs from a gold cone filter since he experimented with multiple ways to do brew coffee but wasn't happy with any of them.
Mark
Ahh I see the 8 cup version has the proper filter holder. At least you can pick up a chemex for $36 ;)
What makes you so set against this thing, without having tried it? Those who have seem to think it's worthwhile. But you're willing to poo-poo right off the bat.
It's very simple Peter, ready?.....$50 for a piece of bent foil. I don't care if it's made by monks at the top of Mt. Everest I don't see how a cone of metal should be more than $10
The dude explained in a very forthright manner what his manufacturing costs are and with our discount he's not banking much if anything. Just because you think it's a piece of bent foil and shouldn't cost more than $10, doesn't mean a thing.
So, you're against this thing because you feel people are being scammed. That's very valiant of you, protector of the poor masses who are all to willing to open their wallets.
But... if the guys costs are genuine (and you should be at least a wee bit appreciative that he's wanting to produce it here and not in China) and it produces a better cup, why not let the Kone stand on it's own merit and not be Mr. Negative?
I don't care if it's the best pour over ever made - $50 is a lot to spend for something that's going to be at best, only marginally better than my $3 Melitta pour over. Of course, I think all of your pour over guys are nuts anyway - espresso is the only way to make real coffee! ;D
Even though you're making a lot of sense Joe ... coffee toy must haves are an addiction. No reason will justify someone not spending money on a new coffee toy that they can claim to be the first on the block with.
As tex said ... I'll stick with my espresso with a cappuccino and drip thrown in here and there for good measure.
My 2 cents.
:)
I don't care if it's the best pour over ever made - $50 is a lot to spend for something that's going to be at best, only marginally better than my $3 Melitta pour over. Of course, I think all of your pour over guys are nuts anyway - espresso is the only way to make real coffee! ;D
Peter,
First off my questions are sincere- Let me know what the differences are from a swiss gold filter other than the metal composition.
Are you saying it costs even $25 to make that!!!? I definitely think there is a significant mark up. I'm sorry but I'm not buying the well developed website creds for his product. Let me know in 2 years if you are still using the "KONE" and how much it changed your life, maybe by then the manufacturing costs will be further along. But don't ask me to be the guinea pig, or to champion something that has already been invented at 3 times the price.
Really there are just too many other ways to brew a good cup of coffee for me to be interested in this.
Peter,
First off my questions are sincere- Let me know what the differences are from a swiss gold filter other than the metal composition.
But,
Are you saying it costs even $25 to make that!!!? I definitely think there is a significant mark up. I'm sorry but I'm not buying the well developed website creds for his product. Let me know in 2 years if you are still using the "KONE" and how much it changed your life, maybe by then the manufacturing costs will be further along. But don't ask me to be the guinea pig, or to champion something that has already been invented at 3 times the price. Who am I? I am just one voice, I don't even like the much beloved Aeropress ($25) In fact I sold mine to Chad, just give me a pour over and a paper filter and I am happy.
As far as the Forthright part. OK 2 problems with all that for me:
1. First I read one of his replies to the fact that he doesn't want to make and sell thousands of his product....come on? really? so you make a website, talk about special coffee shops that use your special cone filter, etc.. But you don't want to sell them? Ohh yeah and our guy met him at .....a coffee fest in Seattle where the whole point is to "sell". Doesn't sound forth right
2. Next, he capitulates and says ok I will give you the coffee filters for this week only at the price that we were supposed to get them for anyways!? Of course with $11! Shipping bill tacked on.
My Original Swiss gold filter was a stainless version that was made for Starbucks Barista Aroma brewers it cost all of $10 it was probably made in China not Switzerland even though it says SWISS all over it.
Again if your finances can afford the newest coffee toy that costs $50(for a filter) and requires that you have a $35 coffee maker as well for a manual coffee maker, God Bless you. For me I'll stick to my Newco and Swiss Gold and maybe a pour over, or maybe I'll pick up an old Vacpot. Really there are just too many other ways to brew a good cup of coffee for me to be interested in this.
So tell us what your metal fabricating background is, and what experience you have that would lead you to believe it can be made for less than $25.Don't be silly Peter, anyone can look at anything else comparable and compare costs. Plus this guy isn't LAZER welding them in his garage.
Nobody is asking you to be a guinea pig, or champion anything BTW. I was only wondering why you seemed so opposed to it.
We get that you're not interested. But didn't understand why you were so ready to throw mud on the idea. Now we know; you don't think it costs that much to make and think it's overpriced.
Joe,
To address your concerns on who I am as a person. I am sorry you feel this way towards me. Have we met? I would love to and I think you might realize a few things about me and possibly your judge of character in people. I think you might have to think twice about that old saying don't judge a book by its cover.
YES it does cost $25 dollars to make!!!!!!!!!!!!!! You are exactly right. I told you it is made in the USA! Ok settles that one hopefully. Now you ll know how much its cost me. Hopefully I am now being as transparent as possible which most "companies" would NEVER do. But I am just a 26 year old who LOVES coffee. I am not trying to scam you in any way. I just made something I thought was a good idea and wanted to experiment with.
Ok now for selling thousands. It is true. I don't want to sell thousands. I would very much love to pay back all the money I have invested into it. OK more transparency. $20,000 dollars is into this project. One prototype I made cost me 1,200 alone due to the extensive engineering for the hole pattern. Maybe I got scammed there? You tell me.
Selling them. I made them because some coffee bars we interested in using them and possibly selling them also. I thought it be an ok idea. So I had 1,000 filters made. Taking all risk, no banks and no loans all risk on me. Sorry for feeling upset but I do now at this point.
Why at coffee fest? Edwin is a good friend of mine. I was a roaster at Victrola and roasted his finca vista hermosa. I was asked by him to participate. It was supposed to be fun and release the kone officially. I honestly have no idea the direction of this project. If people love it but dont want to support it for the cost then it will honestly die. Why die? Because I cant afford $25,000 to produce filters that you claim to be too expensive and of no merit.
Shipping. I JUST launched the site. My company is so small. We ship nothing. They haven't given me any discounts yet. I apologize if you think shipping is too high. This seems to be a consistent complaint with people buying things online. I will work on better shipping rates as soon as I can.
Again I am sorry if I come across as upset. I feel personally offended here. Its something I made for fun and for the love of coffee.
Please remember that.
Best,
Keith
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Its something I made for fun and for the love of coffee.
Please remember that.
Best,
Keith
Joe,
Joe,
To address your concerns on who I am as a person. I am sorry you feel this way towards me. Have we met? I would love to and I think you might realize a few things about me and possibly your judge of character in people. I think you might have to think twice about that old saying don't judge a book by its cover.
YES it does cost $25 dollars to make!!!!!!!!!!!!!! You are exactly right. I told you it is made in the USA! Ok settles that one hopefully. Now you ll know how much its cost me. Hopefully I am now being as transparent as possible which most "companies" would NEVER do. But I am just a 26 year old who LOVES coffee. I am not trying to scam you in any way. I just made something I thought was a good idea and wanted to experiment with.
Ok now for selling thousands. It is true. I don't want to sell thousands. I would very much love to pay back all the money I have invested into it. OK more transparency. $20,000 dollars is into this project. One prototype I made cost me 1,200 alone due to the extensive engineering for the hole pattern. Maybe I got scammed there? You tell me.
Selling them. I made them because some coffee bars we interested in using them and possibly selling them also. I thought it be an ok idea. So I had 1,000 filters made. Taking all risk, no banks and no loans all risk on me. Sorry for feeling upset but I do now at this point.
Why at coffee fest? Edwin is a good friend of mine. I was a roaster at Victrola and roasted his finca vista hermosa. I was asked by him to participate. It was supposed to be fun and release the kone officially. I honestly have no idea the direction of this project. If people love it but dont want to support it for the cost then it will honestly die. Why die? Because I cant afford $25,000 to produce filters that you claim to be too expensive and of no merit.
Shipping. I JUST launched the site. My company is so small. We ship nothing. They haven't given me any discounts yet. I apologize if you think shipping is too high. This seems to be a consistent complaint with people buying things online. I will work on better shipping rates as soon as I can.
Again I am sorry if I come across as upset. I feel personally offended here. Its something I made for fun and for the love of coffee.
Please remember that.
Best,
Keith
Keith,
You made a product, you are trying to sell a product. I believe you have invested $20k on something that you wanted to do as a hobby? Perhaps costs became more than you anticipated, but lets be real if this takes off, that's more in line with what you had in mind.
I am not trying to be offensive we are a community of people who most have known for quite a long time, when you're in you're in but there is a little distrust from me when someone joins and is mainly here to sell something. It's distrust and you have to know that. I get that your company is small, that you're young, and that you have a lot of money riding on the success of the K-Cone. Again I am not trying to offend but I am trying to get as you call it "transparency".
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Its something I made for fun and for the love of coffee.
Please remember that.
Best,
Keith
No good deed goes unpunished Keith. We're spoiled; we get great coffee on the cheap, we get group prices on cool coffee gear, and we buy and sell among ourselves at near-cost. $50 isn't too much for a great pour over filter, unless you think pour over is overrated in the first place. But for what it says it can do, it's not a bad price.
Now I'm wondering if you're going to transfer the technology to espresso machines, which is where real coffee is made? 8)
Let me add a few thoughts here.
A swiss gold can be made to drop as fast, or as slow as one wants by changing the coarseness of the grind. This one is a funnel, the swiss gold, a bit... flatter of a funnel. Being stainless, I would think this one might be a bit more durable than a SG, because the gauge of the metal appears thicker.
It might not be much different than a swiss gold but it 'is' something different. How many people shoveled out a few hundred bucks for an RK drum when they were making them? All that is is some steel welded into a tube shape with ends on it, not very sophisticated. you even had to provide your own motor to turn the thing, and barbecue to roast in. Not too many people complained, it was something people wanted and they were willing to pay for it, because they didn't want to hastle trying to do it themselves. If people want it, let them be happy with it. If they think it's too much buck for the bang, then they need not get it.
On his costs. Maybe if he had 10,000 of them made or 100k the price would have been significantly cheaper. See in his case, as in any business, the original machining and tooling is a killer. We are going to charge you X thousands of dollars to design the thing, X to program it for our CNC laser cutter. then X per unit for the metal and X per unit to cut it. now add packaging shipping handling and all that crap, it adds up. now lets throw in the custom die to form it, that had to be tooled. Some of that $hit can cost thousands for someone to make a die for you. Given he's playing with stainless, ie a hard metal, the die is probably a hybrid carbide or some other exotic metal to hold up over time. not to mention use of the press to run it and then finally welding it, burnishing it, cleaning it, maybe etching it.
Now lets do this in america, where minimum wage is 7 bucks an hour, in a skilled area, like a machine shop, you are probably paying closer to 25 an hour. versus china where they are making maybe 50 cents an hour.
Now lets add a store front, all the licenses and the stuff to start a new business. ANY of you who have opened your own coffee shops should know plenty well the kind of crap I am talking about. He has to pay that off, like it or not. Any business, no matter what it is, to be sucessful, absolutely HAS to pass it's costs onto the customer.
Give him a year or two, if the thing catches on and he's selling a buttload of them, THEN he will have bargaining power to say Hey!! you are charging me x for these, i am moving 1000 a month / week / whatever the number may be. How about a volume discount here... or start shopping other places, because now he can honestly tell them. I will need X a month and they have a solid number to work. At that point I bet he can lower his prices a bit.
People pay 5 bucks for a cup of crap from starbucks... is it worth it... no, but they still pay it. Unlike starbucks, This item looks like something that might actually be useful for something besides taking paint off your car or removing love bug guts from your windshield.
You act like his markup is insane, you have NO idea the markup in the 'retail' arena. Those watch batteries you pay $3.99 for. The store gets them for about 20 cents each. That phone battery radio shack sells for $59.99, cost them about 8 dollars. It seems obscene but when you look at all the places the money has to be paid back out to... they are not making that much of a profit overall per item.
just my two pennies... or perhaps I should use steel washers.
Aaron
Keith,
How do you think the Kone will work, apart from a Chemex? Will it fit in a Hario V60?
I fashioned a wire holder for a Swiss Gold K4, and figure as long as the Kone is supported at the top and is kept level, it should be fine. Right?
1.Please do not tell me or on a forum in front of your audience that I made this to make money. That is rude and offensive to me.
2.This crazy thread was my greatest fear of releasing this as a "product". I cant believe people out there like you exist and feel it ok to post things as you have about me. I once again challenge you to meet me before posting anything else negative about me.
3.My email is keith@coavacoffee.com . I will give you my cell and we can have a heart to heart if you like. If you do not call I find it not acceptable to post your personal opinion about me as a person and my motives.
Keith
I have already received my tracking number. Thanks much. Looking forward to using it in a cupping session of the Local Locos Yockels.Me too. Thanks Keith.
B|Java
Keith,+1
Thank you again for the offer you extended to the club.
Everyone please remember Keith is an active part of the coffee community and put a lot of time, effort, capital etc into these KONEs.
He did this for the love of coffee, much like we are all roasting, tinkering, experimenting for the love of coffee. He is not out to make a killing on these. Just in the same way we are not out to make a killing on splitting bags of coffee and having fun doing it.
There's really no reason to knock a product that I'm guessing 99.9% of people haven't tried.
We should be commending him for his commitment to advancing coffee education and brew methods.
Mark
Ordered. Thanks for the discount offer...now I have to resist the irresistible urge to buy a Chemex. Maybe I can time the order to coincide with a planned trip by she who must be obeyed or appeased.
Ordered. Thanks for the discount offer...now I have to resist the irresistible urge to buy a Chemex. Maybe I can time the order to coincide with a planned trip by she who must be obeyed or appeased.
Hint, hint ([url]http://prima-restaurant-equipment.com/content/chemex-classic-series-glass-coffeemaker-8-cup-capacity[/url])
Man John must be writing a novel. He's been posting in this for like 5hrs 8)
I bet a lot of deleting and rewriting are going into this post that should appear sometime tonight ;D :P
Ordered. Thanks for the discount offer...now I have to resist the irresistible urge to buy a Chemex. Maybe I can time the order to coincide with a planned trip by she who must be obeyed or appeased.
Hint, hint ([url]http://prima-restaurant-equipment.com/content/chemex-classic-series-glass-coffeemaker-8-cup-capacity[/url])
Dang it Larry you are not helping! I've still not let on to how much Colombia and Bolivia microlots will be stashed here shortly....not to mention my nefarious plan for the Ambex that I've yet to buy....
Reading all of this there is just one part I don't understand.
Why the insistence that it was never made to sell or make money?
I guess I'm just thrown by that because 1) I don't see anything wrong with the idea of making a product to sell. 2) Why order 1,000 filters and spend 20K for a personal use product when (I am almost sure) a good fab shop could make a dozen of them for a lot less cash?
But aside from that there is the coffee angle.
I find myself between Peter and Joe on this part. I agree with Peter that we don't know what is going on with the cup without testing it. I'd want to test it properly before saying what the cup brings. However......I also feel compelled to take some guesses ;D I have a hunch the cup is going to be closer to a Swiss Gold than a French Press but for usage that hardly matters. Looks like the main intended use at this time is a permanent Chemex filter. Chemex paper makes a way different cup than either FP or SG so anybody switching from paper to Kone will be getting a different cup.
As for the price... I've got no doubt it costs more to make things sourced with all USA parts and labor. I've got no doubt tooling and set ups cost a lot of money. I have no reason to question how much was invested in this project....I don't get why 1,000 units were purchased (not to sell) and I personally don't think I am the target market to pay $50-$60 for a metal filter like this but it does look really cool. 8) I can't speak for Joe but I don't think he intended to speak to the manufacturing costs exactly as much as 1) group buy vs retail pricing 2) Like me, is $50 an amount of money we feel like personally spending on this concept. A metal cone shaped permanent filter.
But....
B l Newtoy has ordered one so some testing notes are bound to arrive soon and who knows what will happen after that?
I remember thinking I would NEVER buy an aeropress and now I find it fills a slot in my line up that no other device can. It's a must have for my gear list these days so who knows... I'm guessing it's unlikely but who knows?
Keith, I just put my order in. Thank you for the discount. I've been watching your progress on different forums for a while, and I appreciate all the time and effort you put into this. My Chemex has been sitting on a shelf for a couple of years, because I haven't been able to reproduce (control) the kind of cup I get from other pour-over methods so I'm really excited about this.
Thanks,
Woody
Ordered. Thanks for the discount offer...now I have to resist the irresistible urge to buy a Chemex. Maybe I can time the order to coincide with a planned trip by she who must be obeyed or appeased.
I hope that clears that issue up for you
I was at a Goodwill store Monday and they had a large Chemex (still had the new labels on it) for only $5; should I have jumped on it?
:-\
I remember thinking I would NEVER buy an aeropress and now I find it fills a slot in my line up that no other device can. It's a must have for my gear list ...
How can you even insert that plastic trash talk into a honkin' stainless steel, US made perma-filter thread?
Joe,
Thank you for your last post.
Also thank you for your phone number. Its late tonight but I would love to chat with you on the phone. Maybe tomorrow?
I need to go clean the cat box now. :)
Good night all.
-Keith
I was at a Goodwill store Monday and they had a large Chemex (still had the new labels on it) for only $5; should I have jumped on it?
:-\
I was at a Goodwill store Monday and they had a large Chemex (still had the new labels on it) for only $5; should I have jumped on it?
:-\
You Tease!
I was at a Goodwill store Monday and they had a large Chemex (still had the new labels on it) for only $5; should I have jumped on it?
:-\
Tex, for heaven's sake man! Walked past a new Chemex? Man, you should be drummed out of the club. Nab it and if you get caught walking into the house with it, just say it is a vase (vass) for her -- have some flowers in the other hand.
B|Java
I was at a Goodwill store Monday and they had a large Chemex (still had the new labels on it) for only $5; should I have jumped on it?
:-\
I was at a Goodwill store Monday and they had a large Chemex (still had the new labels on it) for only $5; should I have jumped on it?
:-\
I read these stories and then for a few weeks I try to find scores. As I am driving around I'll spot a thrift store and I stop in and run inside to find the loot.
Without fail I see a bunch of old clothes, a stack of VHS VCR's, some plastic drip machines, and a bread maker with a dinged up lid. I eyeball the bread maker every time and it's always about $7. I think of getting it and making a heat gun roaster with it but then I just walk away. At the next store I spot I imagine how much fun it will be if I find a Stir Crazy or a turbo oven...but no. Just the bread machine and assortment of Mr. Coffee machines with the carafe taped on with 9 rounds of scotch tape.
Then I forget about it until the next time I see a post where somebody scores a commercial lever machine in mint condition for $29 or a brand new Chemex for $5.
Now I'm starting to wonder if these stories are like the stories in the magazines we would find as kids that somebody's Dad had hidden away that started out...
You will never believe what happened when I walked in on these two cheerleaders having a pillow fight..
I was at a Goodwill store Monday and they had a large Chemex (still had the new labels on it) for only $5; should I have jumped on it?
:-\
You Tease!
Is that a good price?
I think I'll drop by tomorrow and see if it's still there?
I had even found a la pavoni europiccola too for 15$
No!!!
I was at a Goodwill store Monday and they had a large Chemex (still had the new labels on it) for only $5; should I have jumped on it?
:-\
Tex, for heaven's sake man! Walked past a new Chemex? Man, you should be drummed out of the club. Nab it and if you get caught walking into the house with it, just say it is a vase (vass) for her -- have some flowers in the other hand.
B|Java
Actually, I've already got that one figured out - I'll just tell Mrs T that it's for Milo. ;D
I was at a Goodwill store Monday and they had a large Chemex (still had the new labels on it) for only $5; should I have jumped on it?
:-\
I read these stories and then for a few weeks I try to find scores. As I am driving around I'll spot a thrift store and I stop in and run inside to find the loot.
Without fail I see a bunch of old clothes, a stack of VHS VCR's, some plastic drip machines, and a bread maker with a dinged up lid. I eyeball the bread maker every time and it's always about $7. I think of getting it and making a heat gun roaster with it but then I just walk away. At the next store I spot I imagine how much fun it will be if I find a Stir Crazy or a turbo oven...but no. Just the bread machine and assortment of Mr. Coffee machines with the carafe taped on with 9 rounds of scotch tape.
Then I forget about it until the next time I see a post where somebody scores a commercial lever machine in mint condition for $29 or a brand new Chemex for $5.
Now I'm starting to wonder if these stories are like the stories in the magazines we would find as kids that somebody's Dad had hidden away that started out...
You will never believe what happened when I walked in on these two cheerleaders having a pillow fight..
My Dad never had that kind of magazine, at least not that any of us kids ever found; Mom-The-Baptist would've neutered him!
If you're EVER in the Seattle area, have someone take you by the big Goodwill store (on Dearborn?). It's huge - I used to drive by there on the way to work every day and I'd stop in from time to time. It's amazing the stuff Seattleites give to Goodwill!!
I'm with John on this.... Tex is spouting a fable. The Dearborn Goodwill is like every other thrift store as John described only bigger... They have tons of bread machines and Mr. Coffees....
Seattle Craigslist on the other hand....
Anyway, I got the Chemex ($5.42 with tax and they even had the original box), so it'll go with the rest of my coffee display. It'll probably never be used, but it looks cool.
King of twisted logic throwing $50 after $5 ... but I think you may have convinced Robert to open his wallet.
:-X
If you get Kone, you'll have a cooler functional setup and with the price you got the Chemex, you really get a great deal on the pair 8)
King of twisted logic throwing $50 after $5 ... but I think you may have convinced Robert to open his wallet.
:-X
Nah, he'll not buy a Kone. He doesn't do pourovers. Not only that, he'd rather take a perfectly good Chemex and put it on the shelf to collect dust. What a travesty; it's like the guy he knows that owns a Corvette, but never really drives it.
Why would I throw more money after money admittedly spent on a decorative piece? If I want a good cup of coffee I've got at least a half-dozen "good" options to go through before I have to fall back on a pour over :icon_puke_l:Thank you for bringing me back to my senses! I was about to go for the pretty shiny geometric shape, but remembered that Newco sitting on our fridge collecting dust and the vintage '36 Silex stove-top vac that is just too big to use. Espresso or Hario vac!
Think man, think! Repeat after me, "Good coffee = espresso or vac pot." "Good coffee = espresso or vac pot." "Good coffee = espresso or vac pot.". Now keep that thought front and center in your brain.
;D
Why would I throw more money after money admittedly spent on a decorative piece? If I want a good cup of coffee I've got at least a half-dozen "good" options to go through before I have to fall back on a pour over :icon_puke_l:Thank you for bringing me back to my senses! I was about to go for the pretty shiny geometric shape, but remembered that Newco sitting on our fridge collecting dust and the vintage '36 Silex stove-top vac that is just too big to use. Espresso or Hario vac!
Think man, think! Repeat after me, "Good coffee = espresso or vac pot." "Good coffee = espresso or vac pot." "Good coffee = espresso or vac pot.". Now keep that thought front and center in your brain.
;D
Why would I throw more money after money admittedly spent on a decorative piece? If I want a good cup of coffee I've got at least a half-dozen "good" options to go through before I have to fall back on a pour over :icon_puke_l:Thank you for bringing me back to my senses! I was about to go for the pretty shiny geometric shape, but remembered that Newco sitting on our fridge collecting dust and the vintage '36 Silex stove-top vac that is just too big to use. Espresso or Hario vac!
Think man, think! Repeat after me, "Good coffee = espresso or vac pot." "Good coffee = espresso or vac pot." "Good coffee = espresso or vac pot.". Now keep that thought front and center in your brain.
;D
Glad I could help! Maybe we should start a counseling service to help folks simplify their lives in these confusing times? :angel:
Why would I throw more money after money admittedly spent on a decorative piece? If I want a good cup of coffee I've got at least a half-dozen "good" options to go through before I have to fall back on a pour over :icon_puke_l:Thank you for bringing me back to my senses! I was about to go for the pretty shiny geometric shape, but remembered that Newco sitting on our fridge collecting dust and the vintage '36 Silex stove-top vac that is just too big to use. Espresso or Hario vac!
Think man, think! Repeat after me, "Good coffee = espresso or vac pot." "Good coffee = espresso or vac pot." "Good coffee = espresso or vac pot.". Now keep that thought front and center in your brain.
;D
Glad I could help! Maybe we should start a counseling service to help folks simplify their lives in these confusing times? :angel:
slippery slope!! next thing you know some one will come along trying to simplify your life with a can of pre ground coffee or ~gasp~ buyers club card for *$
Man John must be writing a novel. He's been posting in this for like 5hrs 8)
I bet a lot of deleting and rewriting are going into this post that should appear sometime tonight ;D :P
Hahahaha! I was watching TV over my shoulder and typing a word here and there...
For like 15 min not 5 hrs. :P
I was also rambling off the top of my head and now you have me feeling self conscious. Like I was supposed to deliver a well thought out reply with my 5 hour power post. ;)
I had even found a la pavoni europiccola too for 15$
Thanks for that....
Now I'll be looking at old VCR's and those blasted bread machines for the next 2 weeks.
Think man, think! Repeat after me, "Good coffee = espresso or vac pot."
Why would I throw more money after money admittedly spent on a decorative piece? If I want a good cup of coffee I've got at least a half-dozen "good" options to go through before I have to fall back on a pour over :icon_puke_l:Thank you for bringing me back to my senses! I was about to go for the pretty shiny geometric shape, but remembered that Newco sitting on our fridge collecting dust and the vintage '36 Silex stove-top vac that is just too big to use. Espresso or Hario vac!
Think man, think! Repeat after me, "Good coffee = espresso or vac pot." "Good coffee = espresso or vac pot." "Good coffee = espresso or vac pot.". Now keep that thought front and center in your brain.
;D
Glad I could help! Maybe we should start a counseling service to help folks simplify their lives in these confusing times? :angel:
slippery slope!! next thing you know some one will come along trying to simplify your life with a can of pre ground coffee or ~gasp~ buyers club card for *$
Then the answer is to start a seminar program like EST/Context, where we can take these lost folks and give them in-depth help. Do you think it'd fit under the GCBC umbrella or should we strike out on our own?
I see it now; a one-week process where our experts could teach the miscreants the difference between good coffee and dreck. Then there'd be sessions teaching the novices how to use the various devices. Then a one-week in-depth residence program in Etheopia, where we'd take the new initiates to the farms to pick their own beans.
Wow, I can just see the coffee improvement movement sweeping the country. We'd be a power to be reckoned with!
:angel:
I had even found a la pavoni europiccola too for 15$
Thanks for that....
Now I'll be looking at old VCR's and those blasted bread machines for the next 2 weeks.
hahhahaha..I got lucky once. It was a good once and it was on Craigslist with the espresso machine spelled expresso in the ad I scored my Elektra T-1 for $180.
Sorta on/off the subject. Does anyone know if the Kone will fit into the large Mellita?
So that is how you do it! I can learn how to Google here, too! :)I had even found a la pavoni europiccola too for 15$
Thanks for that....
Now I'll be looking at old VCR's and those blasted bread machines for the next 2 weeks.
hahhahaha..I got lucky once. It was a good once and it was on Craigslist with the espresso machine spelled expresso in the ad I scored my Elektra T-1 for $180.
Broad searches ([url]http://www.google.com/search?hl=&q=%28espress[/url]*+or+express*%29+bunn+OR+futurmat+OR+italcrem+OR+visacrem+OR+mairali+site%3Acraigslist.org&sourceid=navclient-ff&rlz=1B3GGGL_enUS176US231&ie=UTF-8) with wild cards work well too. Good finds are out there!
So that is how you do it! I can learn how to Google here, too! :)I had even found a la pavoni europiccola too for 15$
Thanks for that....
Now I'll be looking at old VCR's and those blasted bread machines for the next 2 weeks.
hahhahaha..I got lucky once. It was a good once and it was on Craigslist with the espresso machine spelled expresso in the ad I scored my Elektra T-1 for $180.
Broad searches ([url]http://www.google.com/search?hl=&q=%28espress[/url]*+or+express*%29+bunn+OR+futurmat+OR+italcrem+OR+visacrem+OR+mairali+site%3Acraigslist.org&sourceid=navclient-ff&rlz=1B3GGGL_enUS176US231&ie=UTF-8) with wild cards work well too. Good finds are out there!
Sorta on/off the subject. Does anyone know if the Kone will fit into the large Mellita?
Bad form! Once a thread is hijacked it can't be unhijacked. ;D
Do you mean the pour over or the drip maker?
Bad form! Once a thread is hijacked it can't be unhijacked. ;D
I got mine today.... :headbang:
Tex... :nono: :nono: :nono:I got mine today.... :headbang:
Really? I thought Mrs M was out of town?
:laughing4:
Sorta on/off the subject. Does anyone know if the Kone will fit into the large Mellita?
Sorta on/off the subject. Does anyone know if the Kone will fit into the large Mellita?
I think the pointy bottom will make it hard to work with the melitta..
Sorta on/off the subject. Does anyone know if the Kone will fit into the large Mellita?
I think the pointy bottom will make it hard to work with the melitta..
I have a large Cilio (same shape) and will test the KONE in it next week for you.
B|Java
Hmmmm 11:16 and no word or pictures from milo ???
Maybe his wife found it, took away the computer and sent him to his room with no coffee?
in about an hour from now.
update from Larry's house...
bad news... a full bag of greens fell on the cone..
good news it fits in the mellita now
Larry and his KONE have achieved the coffee singularity. I doubt we non-transcendent will hear from him again.
..I too can go through the looking glass and help get back home.
Larry, it's hard to see in your second photo, but is the Kone only touching the funnel along the top rim?
Next, you'll have to brew both into identical mugs and have Mrs. Milo switch them around for a blind test, maybe through in a third mug of something else too.
Just a reminder that the KONE coupon code expires in a couple more days.
If you're on the fence or waiting until last minture don't wait too long...
or you might be sad.
There are two very effective sales techniques: 1) everyone else is buying one; 2) time is limited. I become wary when I am offered a limited-time discount. Discounts like the Newco deal are nice, because you can buy when you have decided that you need a new toy.Just a reminder that the KONE coupon code expires in a couple more days.
If you're on the fence or waiting until last minture don't wait too long...
or you might be sad.
Just FYI after the coupon code expires this will be moved to the hardware discussion so that everyone who has bought one can continue the conversation of their new toy.
I understand Mark that you have a vested interest in the KONE because you were the initial contact for these, but I would tone down the sales pitch. The word is out and interested parties are buying them. Your last 3 posts make you appear that you have an interest in moving these beyond what a contact for a coupon code should. Let Kevin from KONE talk about and pitch his product since he is a member of our forums and can do so himself.
Just a reminder that the KONE coupon code expires in a couple more days.
If you're on the fence or waiting until last minture don't wait too long...
or you might be sad.
sorry about seeming to be pitching the product.
It was just meant as a friendly reminder that the deal isn't available forever and that I spent at least 3hrs working out details for it, so yes there is a "time" investment on my part. This is my last post on it.
sorry about seeming to be pitching the product.
It was just meant as a friendly reminder that the deal isn't available forever and that I spent at least 3hrs working out details for it, so yes there is a "time" investment on my part. This is my last post on it.
Mark,
I appreciate the background work. Gents, order up byThursday, Nov 11th if you want the GCBC discount:
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Fullest review out there so far comes from Jesse Raub who works at one of Intelli's Chitown shops. [url]http://bitterpress.com/2010/11/03/reviews-coavas-kone-filter/#more-2731.[/url] ([url]http://bitterpress.com/2010/11/03/reviews-coavas-kone-filter/#more-2731.[/url]) You might not want your 12 year old read this review aloud at your dinner table.
B|Java
I'd be tempted to try and use it on a stand alone "stand".
Maybe like a metal loop that holds it at the top and the rest of the kone is in open air.
That might be fun.
You may like this idea. This is how I do pourovers when I'm not using my BeeHouse.
There are two very effective sales techniques: 1) everyone else is buying one; 2) time is limited. I become wary when I am offered a limited-time discount. Discounts like the Newco deal are nice, because you can buy when you have decided that you need a new toy.
I'd be tempted to try and use it on a stand alone "stand".
Maybe like a metal loop that holds it at the top and the rest of the kone is in open air.
That might be fun.
You may like this idea. This is how I do pourovers when I'm not using my BeeHouse.
I'd be tempted to try and use it on a stand alone "stand".
Maybe like a metal loop that holds it at the top and the rest of the kone is in open air.
That might be fun.
You may like this idea. This is how I do pourovers when I'm not using my BeeHouse.
Lemme guess; that's from a sock brewer, right? ???
Bring that set up over to the next Cabal meeting, do a side by side shoot out, and end all speculation on what's what. 8)
I'm firing up the kettle right now for my first try with mine!
Off to the other thread for the brewing instructions...
-Stubbie
My guess is that it will become my pourover insert in the Hario - pending a try this weekend.
No silt? Really? If so, that's a stunning development for this class of metal filter.
Filter stalling has been an issue with some form factors too. How's flow rate compared with, say, paper?
2. Get Ryan (Roast Coffee) over here with his TDS meter (can't remember the name of that thingamabob). He loves data.
3. Put the KONE head to head with the Hario with paper (Melittas), Swissgold, Bodum gold. Measure TDS, cup quality,etc and report back. Will be a fun experiment.
(Note: I won't go near a Chemex brown filter. To me they are similar to using newspaper to filter your coffee).
I'm waiting for more GCBC reviews.
What's the cost? Sorry if I missed it.
Cup. Extremely clean. None of the silt that I experience with both the Bodum Gold and the Swissgold. Oils are much more present than with the Hario/Beehouse paper arrangements. Improved cup over golds and paper.
good now we have 2 reviews in.
Why have 2 threads for the same topic?
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I would like to see blind test .....
Bet the B|Konehead didn't need an alarm clock this morning, laid awake all night thinking about the new toy.
We have to figure a way to brew and test blind.
Who's who?
Why have 2 threads for the same topic?
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Perhaps one of the mods can work their magic and merge all the relevant posts into one thread.
I think it would be easier if I just did another comparison and started a 4th thread. >:D
Perhaps one of the mods can work their magic and merge all the relevant posts into one thread.
I put the thread I started this morning on top of yours so that there is one review/tips/tricks. Suggest we leave the other thread alone as it is the offer.
Milo can add his review to your thread/this thread if he finds that appropriate.
B|Java
Cool picture of the holes. You should take a photo of the Swiss Gold filter as a comparison. Just so people who might not be familiar can see the difference.Here ya go
It would be neat to see visually how the pour looks through both filters if there is any real difference at all visually of the extraction.
I would like to see blind test of the same coffee using different methods of brewing.
kp
You could invite ray charles and stevie wonder over for coffee.
That's what I'm talking about! Larry!
The herringbone style slits look like they let quite a bit more coffee flow through them.
Heh, heh, slid a 2nd order in. Santa will visit the daughter in the Twin Cities, 02 Hario. Poy-fect.
B|Java
...I'm interested in your clean-up with the citrus-based detergent. Have you noticed any residual flavor yet from the cleaner? Normally, detergent and coffee equipment aren't used in the same sentence. I notice with my Bodum gold filter when I use a normal soap to clean it I can rinse all day long and the next cup will still taste like the cleaner.
Also, if I find the rim to be sharp/hazardous to my delicate skin ;) I'm thinking about a small diameter tube of rubber or silicone, sliced down its length, then installed around the rim. It would not only protect, but also be a good gripper.
Heh, heh, slid a 2nd order in. Santa will visit the daughter in the Twin Cities, 02 Hario. Poy-fect.
B|Java
I'm interested in your clean-up with the citrus-based detergent. Have you noticed any residual flavor yet from the cleaner? Normally, detergent and coffee equipment aren't used in the same sentence. I notice with my Bodum gold filter when I use a normal soap to clean it I can rinse all day long and the next cup will still taste like the cleaner.
Also, if I find the rim to be sharp/hazardous to my delicate skin ;) I'm thinking about a small diameter tube of rubber or silicone, sliced down its length, then installed around the rim. It would not only protect, but also be a good gripper.
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We use seventh generation fragrance free soap to wash them. I LOVE that soap. I use it for all my dishes at home also. It cleans really well drys perfect and leaves no sent or taste. I would recommend trying it.
Best regards,
Keith
Heh, heh, slid a 2nd order in. Santa will visit the daughter in the Twin Cities, 02 Hario. Poy-fect.
B|Java
I'm interested in your clean-up with the citrus-based detergent. Have you noticed any residual flavor yet from the cleaner? Normally, detergent and coffee equipment aren't used in the same sentence. I notice with my Bodum gold filter when I use a normal soap to clean it I can rinse all day long and the next cup will still taste like the cleaner.
Also, if I find the rim to be sharp/hazardous to my delicate skin ;) I'm thinking about a small diameter tube of rubber or silicone, sliced down its length, then installed around the rim. It would not only protect, but also be a good gripper.
We were thinking of a similar application of the rubber/silicone for our bar use. This will also make sure that the filter stays a true "floating" design. Good idea with the mod.
We use seventh generation fragrance free soap to wash them. I LOVE that soap. I use it for all my dishes at home also. It cleans really well drys perfect and leaves no sent or taste. I would recommend trying it.
Best regards,
Keith
We use seventh generation fragrance free soap to wash them. I LOVE that soap. I use it for all my dishes at home also. It cleans really well drys perfect and leaves no sent or taste. I would recommend trying it.
Keith
The only way to slow down a SG is to clog the openings with silt/fines.
Asking a SG to work well as a pourover is asking it to do something it wasn't designed for.
The only way to slow down a SG is to clog the openings with silt/fines.
Asking a SG to work well as a pourover is asking it to do something it wasn't designed for.
I'd have to spend some time with a SG but I suspect you can control a lot with pour and not "clogging the openings with silt".
Aside from that think about a grain bed in brewing beer. It's not necessarily silt or fines that can produce a filtering media bed.....this may be where a careful bloom and initial pour make a significant impact...
But I'm not a SG guy and don't plan on testing it, just making some assumptions that I'd bet a few bucks on. ;D
Heh, heh, slid a 2nd order in. Santa will visit the daughter in the Twin Cities, 02 Hario. Poy-fect.
B|Java
I'm interested in your clean-up with the citrus-based detergent. Have you noticed any residual flavor yet from the cleaner? Normally, detergent and coffee equipment aren't used in the same sentence. I notice with my Bodum gold filter when I use a normal soap to clean it I can rinse all day long and the next cup will still taste like the cleaner.
Also, if I find the rim to be sharp/hazardous to my delicate skin ;) I'm thinking about a small diameter tube of rubber or silicone, sliced down its length, then installed around the rim. It would not only protect, but also be a good gripper.
We were thinking of a similar application of the rubber/silicone for our bar use. This will also make sure that the filter stays a true "floating" design. Good idea with the mod.
We use seventh generation fragrance free soap to wash them. I LOVE that soap. I use it for all my dishes at home also. It cleans really well drys perfect and leaves no sent or taste. I would recommend trying it.
Best regards,
Keith
I'm not clear on what type of cup you guys are getting.
I'm reading cleaner, brighter, more body, oils, no silt, less silt, comparisons to vac pot and french press, as well as one of Clover.
These things are contradictory. :icon_scratch:
Is it cleaner brighter cups trending towards vac/Clover or deeper body and oil cups trending towards FP or SG/pourovers?
Obviously not exactly like one of the other preps but it must be trending towards a direction and not going off in all directions simultaneously. :o
I don't see the contradiction but its clear that my words haven't presented an accurate picture for you.
I don't see the contradiction but its clear that my words haven't presented an accurate picture for you....
I do see that you are equating a clean cup to mainly an issue of silt/fines and clarity of cup (if I am understanding you). But I use some other factors that make a "clean cup" for me beyond just clarity. That might be a factor here....
I'll keep reading and after some other data points is should start to focus up I suppose.
I am also using it to be able to taste different aspects of the coffee. It includes how it "presents" the coffee.
We could launch an entire discussion from here... ;D
The KONE seems to permit you to get ahead of yourself. I may have gotten ahead of myself on the pour this morning as the oils don't seem quite as pronounced out of the Hario arrangement than they did out of the Chemex.
Now, it could be noted that a brew method that is 'cleaner' will allow a clean coffee to present itself as such, as opposed to a less clean brew method that allows more particulates though and the coffee presents itself less 'clean' than it really is.
I took 60 grams of a Puerto Rican coffee that is only good for a "sink-pot" with 32 ounces of water. I really pushed the pour in a Chemex set-up. I hustled the 32 ounces through the KONE in 1:45 minutes. No way I could move that volume of water with paper.
I just can't make sense of this style of pour. Is there some type of voodoo magic turbulence going on under that dot of a pour? Isn't the same coffee being extracted throughout?
Why would you put filter holes all the way up the Kone if you only *should* be using the bottom 1/4 of them?
-Stubbie
For some reason, as soon as I opened the box and took out the Kone, I had this old Madonna song going through my head. I think I have to order a second one to find out why. No worries, I promise not to post pics; your imaginations will have to suffice.
I'd be interested in knowing what kind of throughput there is for each hole in the thing.
Since determining that is theoretically possible (whereas with paper filters it's not) but utterly impracticaly, I wonder whether anyone observing the thing in action could give some idea of how consistent the throughput seems. Is there something akin to "channeling" at all? Is the throughput uniform from top to bottom? If not, how does it vary? How does pour aggression vary the throughput? By "throughput," I mean not just how much but more importantly how is that throughput distributed?
;D
Empirical, my good man, empirical. I think a measurement approach with paper would be far more difficult than with the metal.
I've been noticing a lot of silt with my Kone. Way more than I get with the FP. I haven't had time to mess around with the grind that much, so I'm hopping that's all I need to do.
God love these guys for their quest for the perfect brew:
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Cut my finger on the top edge too...this thing is seriously sharp. My worker hands must be a little more delicate than Peters ;)
-Stubbie
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Cut my finger on the top edge too...this thing is seriously sharp. My worker hands must be a little more delicate than Peters ;)
-Stubbie
Don't let him kid you. He has a special dish soap so his hands don't chap. He bluffs his way through a macho routine here. In person? Manicures with polished/buffed nails or whatever they call it. Very...ah....metrosexual guy.
Put my Kone inside a Clever dripper yesterday and had a hell of a time getting it back out. Almost became a permanent filter for a dripper that isn't mine. :o
-Stubbie
KONE as grinder vetter!Do you mean the machine or the person operating it?
KONE as grinder vetter!Do you mean the machine or the person operating it?
KONE as grinder vetter!Do you mean the machine or the person operating it?
He mean's my cousin owns the grinder.
B|Java
Ristretto | The Kone
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What's the verdict from those who bought one of these?
Now the next step.... or is this just another tunnel in this rabbi hole.. full immersion funnel.
Q: what is a rabbi hole?
A: the sum of two rabbi halves
So, the Wife informed me that Dr. Oz recommends using paper filters as metal filters can elevate your cholesterol by 8%. Not really news to me, but sure to put a crimp in my Kone, at least for a while.
This morning, I made a paper filter Chemex that was actually quite good with the Costa Rica SHB EP Romelia.
While unfiltered coffee may contain substances that raise cholesterol levels, many popular coffee drinks sold at coffee houses seem more like desserts than beverages to Frank. The "bolts" of cream and sugary calories raise questions of their own about coffee's effect on cholesterol, she says.
When making decisions about coffee, Frank encourages people not to look for a yes or no answer. It's not a simple question of "do drink coffee" or "don't drink coffee," she says.
Instead, Frank encourages people to "filter through" their own lives and their own cardiovascular risk factors to make a decision about how much and what type of coffee to drink. ([url]http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6242467/ns/health-heart_health/[/url])
To date, coffee consumption is not directly associated with heart disease. However, two diterpenes found in high amounts in unfiltered coffee, cafestol and kahweol, have been found to actually raise cholesterol levels. These studies examined different types of unfiltered coffee, as well as coffee oil. Most studies have indicated that individuals consuming roughly 60 milligrams of cafestol (equivalent to ten cups of unfiltered, French press coffee or two grams of coffee oil) ([url]http://cholesterol.about.com/od/cholesterolloweringfoods/a/coffee.htm[/url])
I'd like to trade in my ONE for a DEAUX - just for the rolled lip ring. Mine has cut me a couple of times...They are just adding a silicon ring, which you can order for your ONE.
-Stubbie
You guys in your coffee trucks with your soft hands...
;D
I'd like to trade in my ONE for a DEAUX - just for the rolled lip ring. Mine has cut me a couple of times...
-Stubbie
They are just adding a silicon ring, which you can order for your ONE.
Interesting.
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As far as grind setting goes I requested a small sample in a paper bag to compare against my Vario grind at home. I'm finding the Kone setting operates between the pourover and espresso settings on my Vario, of course it's all just a matter of clearance rates so I'm adjusting grind based on that.
Interesting.
I bought my Kone 2 a couple of days ago at Coava where I spent at least an hour with Sam who was pouring cup after cup at the Kone bar. In-house they are pouring 400gms of water through 24-25gms of coffee in approx 2.5 - 3mins. This is getting served in what looked to be 12oz mugs and any fines that exist are being retained in the Chemex.
As far as grind setting goes I requested a small sample in a paper bag to compare against my Vario grind at home. I'm finding the Kone setting operates between the pourover and espresso settings on my Vario, of course it's all just a matter of clearance rates so I'm adjusting grind based on that.
I have been using KONE 2 all week. 60 grams coffee with a short liter pour. I have been extremely pleased with it.
I am getting a nice lift on the bed/bloom character of the grinds in it. I haven't clock-monitored but 3 minutes sounds about right, to include that initial 20 second bloom...
I plan on buying a Kone soon and I'm curious how well it works with the Hario V60 02? Is there an advantage to using the Kone with a Chemex?
I plan on buying a Kone soon and I'm curious how well it works with the Hario V60 02? Is there an advantage to using the Kone with a Chemex?
OK, let's regroup. We spent about an hour at Coava while in Portland.
Pour - I think we have that one down, tight circular pour, 2.5 - 3.0 minute grind.
Grind - Coava goes much tighter than I have ever used with it. For comparison, my pourover is a 5.5; vacpot, 5.0; espresso is a 2.2. Coava's grind, comparatively would be a 3.0, light sand consistency.
I will try it this weekend. Typically, I use a 4.75. I will do both grinds and compare the tastes and report back.
B|Java
I'm drinking heartbreak motor oil and Bombay gin
I'll sleep when I'm dead
Straight from the bottle, twisted again
I'll sleep when I'm dead [\quote]
Pro tip: Don't hit your Chemex with the tip of your Kone when removing it.
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I'm going to give this four dollar thrift store solution a try, it even comes with a bakelite lid.
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I've been able to pour through a Swiss Gold cone filter pretty slowly, even slow enough to have some still going down when I'm done pouring. It has to be very slow.I have used the Swiss Gold cone filter in my Technivorm MoccaMaster for years. It brings out the bass notes in the coffee. Great for taming something that is TOO bright for my taste.
How are you going to fit that thing in the Eva?
Unfortunately, the Gen 2 Kone got stuck under the rim so I ended up breaking another Chemex (not the newest one).
I may just have to find another brew vessel for the Kones... it'll fit in the Clever.
The Gen 2 Kone is much stiffer than the Gen 1 and when I was trying to bend it to get it out from under the rim, I just applied too much pressure to the Chemex and cracked it.
Pretty sure that the plastic rim added to the Gen 3 will take care of this issue... should have gotten in on the Kickstarter for that, but I figured I was covered with the Gen 1 and Gen 2.
I may just have to find another brew vessel for the Kones... it'll fit in the Clever.
On that recommendation, I'm spending more than I'd prefer just now . . .
I've been digging my Kone 2/Chemex for over a year now, not sure how radically different the Kone 3 would be (besides the silcone lip), enough to warrant getting a 3? I use the 2 at home about 10 times per week...
I'm having a lot of fun doing 75gm pourovers onto ice cubes in the Chemex for the farmers market. Been selling 20-25 iced coffees every Thurs,
I've been digging my Kone 2/Chemex for over a year now, not sure how radically different the Kone 3 would be (besides the silcone lip), enough to warrant getting a 3? I use the 2 at home about 10 times per week...
Given the durability of the item, I would buy it and peddle Gen 2 at half price. Radical difference? Not sure. Gen 3 offers a cleaner cup without a diminished mouthfeel. No sludge/minor dust. Though I don't think I have varied my pour technique, I find that I end with a flatter bed of coffee, with less of it on the wall of the filter. Suggests a better extraction but I am only guessing.
The entry point ($60) is a value given the durability of the product. My concern is that the price point, while a value in my opinion, might be high enough to cause pause and hold others hostage from pulling the "add to my cart" trigger.
I can only tell you that I am delighted sufficiently that I dropped the dime. I can re-employ Gen 2 vs Gen 3 -- The Throwdown -- at the next cupping for comparison. Tickets on sale today.
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$60 for a swiss gold knock off? I don't get it....
I'm having a lot of fun doing 75gm pourovers onto ice cubes in the Chemex for the farmers market. Been selling 20-25 iced coffees every Thurs,
My iced volume's been way up with the heat wave. This past Sat. the temps were nice (at last), but people still gravitated toward the iced -- as if the nice day might, at any moment, bare the previous week's thermal teeth.
I continue to use the Aero for iceds, brewing them quite concentrated.
What serving size is that 75g?!
I am also bought on Kone 3. Dave tought me how to make pourover.On that recommendation, I'm spending more than I'd prefer just now . . .
You won't regret it. Based on what we saw on Friday, big difference from the same coffee run through B|Toymaster's vacpot and the Kone, I'm ordering one too. I'll most likely pair the Kone w/ the Chemx Able is offering, and a Bonavita electric kettle.
I received my Kone v.3.0 earlier this week and I have been using it with the Clever. I am extremely happy with this version. Probably the cleanest cup I've ever had from a metal/mesh filter, while still giving and increased body to the cup. The Fruta de Oro I'm drinking this morning has greatly enhanced chocolates and caramels. Yum.
I dub thee King of Kones!
I received my Kone v.3.0 earlier this week and I have been using it with the Clever. I am extremely happy with this version. Probably the cleanest cup I've ever had from a metal/mesh filter, while still giving and increased body to the cup. The Fruta de Oro I'm drinking this morning has greatly enhanced chocolates and caramels. Yum.Jason, Where did you buy it from? Thanks
I dub thee King of Kones!
I received my Kone v.3.0 earlier this week and I have been using it with the Clever. I am extremely happy with this version. Probably the cleanest cup I've ever had from a metal/mesh filter, while still giving and increased body to the cup. The Fruta de Oro I'm drinking this morning has greatly enhanced chocolates and caramels. Yum.
I dub thee King of Kones!
I was unaware that the CCD and the Kone v3.0 could work together.
My Aeropress is dying the slow death, too many cracks on the inside of the outer
tube, so there is no back pressure when plunging. I need another "quick" and good
"one-cupper". Was thinking about the AP + fine disk, but the CCD plus Kone 3 would be a worthy alternative. Is anyone else using the Kone with the CCD?
I received my Kone v.3.0 earlier this week and I have been using it with the Clever. I am extremely happy with this version. Probably the cleanest cup I've ever had from a metal/mesh filter, while still giving and increased body to the cup. The Fruta de Oro I'm drinking this morning has greatly enhanced chocolates and caramels. Yum.Jason, Where did you buy it from? Thanks
I dub thee King of Kones!
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I got it through their Kickstarter campaign. I think it's closed now, but they will probably be hitting retailers very soon.
edit: Oh -- I assume everyone's using surfactant to clean this thing carefully every time?
edit: Oh -- I assume everyone's using surfactant to clean this thing carefully every time?
Soap and water for me.
I can't quite make out the logo on the mug...
Hey Peter, did you get the variable temp gooseneck kettle that the sales guy was talking about in their SCAA booth?
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I've been waiting for that one to go live, I want one.
edit: Oh -- I assume everyone's using surfactant to clean this thing carefully every time?
Soap and water for me.
I'm guessing rasqual was talking about the poly-felt right there. Soap & water on the Kone for me too.
Mine came yesterday, along w/ the Bonavita elec. kettle. I picked up the Chemex for when I need more than a cup, but for just one cup it's the ultra-fancy rig pictured below.
Good cup. A pile of fines at the bottom. Bunn commercial grinder.
Might be worth $60 for someone with an expensive grinder. There's no way I'd recommend this to the average consumer, even if they had a passable burr grinder.
Like Yakster, I wiped out my Chemex.
I noticed that SM is finally offering the new Kone. I have been eyeing them on Able for a while but have always resisted because of shipping. Is everyone still happy with their Kone? Is it a substantial upgrade to a very well rinsed white filter?
I noticed that SM is finally offering the new Kone. I have been eyeing them on Able for a while but have always resisted because of shipping. Is everyone still happy with their Kone? Is it a substantial upgrade to a very well rinsed white filter?
Does it come in a size that fits into the Hario V60?
Thanks, Eric, I will look. I forgot that the Hario V60 I have and was referring to is the small one -- maybe V60-01. And all I have ever used in it are the Hario unbleached filters I bought when I got it....
Susan
So, that would mean I could throw away an entire drawer full of filter papers for various sizes of Chemexes and Harios?
AND I will like the taste better?
Wow. That makes expensive sound not so much....
Assuming you have a good pouring kettle
Assuming you have a good pouring kettle
Hario Buono on board
Eric? Did you pull the trigger on one?
Well .... :'(
I tried, but whatever frugality is still in my genetic make-up declined to push the button on the total of $70.
Maybe another day when I am feeling looser with the purse....
Pourover remains a second-choice mode for me, so I guess I'm stuck with paper filters for a while.... :-[
Susan
You would never have to buy filters again, so it would save you money in the long run. It also works quite well in a Clever.This would be pertinent if I didn't already have a life-time supply of paper filters due to a bad habit I have of buying in bulk, consuming in whatever is the opposite of bulk, and changing my mind a lot....
Oils and body are more pronounced.
Now, it could be noted that a brew method that is 'cleaner' will allow a clean coffee to present itself as such, as opposed to a less clean brew method that allows more particulates though and the coffee presents itself less 'clean' than it really is.
Why not ([url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Darcy's_law[/url])?
The KONE cup is much more dependent upon pour than paper.
I say that only with only part of my tongue in my cheek.
This might have already been answered somewhere in these nineteen pages but I got tired of looking. Do I need to adjust my grind when using the Kone in my V60 and Chemex or do I stick with the same grind as I use with paper?
What do I need to know from the get-go?
Susan
Don't poke yourself with the pointy end...
Don't poke yourself with the pointy end...
Kone 3 just arrived and guess what:
NO pointy end....a small (1/8"?) flat round bottom.
Lucky for me 'cuz I'd a hurt myself for sure....
Susan
Do you really grind finer than a filtered pour over, as in the movie? When I tried my normal, filtered pour over grind I got a ton of sediment.
12 on the Virtuoso, and very little sediment here.
My understanding was that Gen 1 had larger holes, optimized for commercial grinders, Gen 2 had smaller holes which resulted in less sediment for most users, but slower pours for large batches.
I thought I had heard that Gen 3 was designed to be optimized for smaller and larger batches, with either different sized holes or a different pattern so that when you poured a large batch it would pour though at a good rate taking into account the added restriction of the additional coffee grounds. I could be smoking coffee grounds, though.
I've got Gen 1 and Gen 2, I'll take a picture once Gen 3 from the travelling roadshow comes my way unless someone else has the set and can post it before I can.That will be interesting.
Is anyone else struggling to get a less than 4 minute pour with the Kone 3? I have coarsened my grind up a lot and still I have not been able to get a pour that is less than 4 minutes....
Is anyone else struggling to get a less than 4 minute pour with the Kone 3? ...
For curiosity sake, I timed it this morning. I use a full 30 second bloom with about a 2:1 ratio of water to coffee. Ran a full 4.0 minutes.
If it tastes good, celebrate. I wonder if most of just say, 3 to 3.5 minutes or so...
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This always confuses me. Doesn't the time depend on the actual amount of water poured through? ...
Susan
You can assume I am talking liter unless otherwise stated.
You asked a reasonable question. Now what was it again?
Is anyone else struggling to get a less than 4 minute pour with the Kone 3? ...
For curiosity sake, I timed it this morning. I use a full 30 second bloom with about a 2:1 ratio of water to coffee. Ran a full 4.0 minutes.
If it tastes good, celebrate. I wonder if most of just say, 3 to 3.5 minutes or so...
This always confuses me. Doesn't the time depend on the actual amount of water poured through? When I use my Kone I am never using more than 400 ml. I suspect that most of you are using more. Shouldn't our comparisons include the actual amount poured through and the time it took?
Susan
It is my understanding that the brew time should not change according to the amount of water you are using.
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So my 400 ml pour should take the same amount of time as B/J's 1000 ml pour?
Oh my....so hard to get my head around that....but I will work on it.
Susan
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So my 400 ml pour should take the same amount of time as B/J's 1000 ml pour?
Oh my....so hard to get my head around that....but I will work on it.
Susan
Well thank you for that.
Now it makes perfect sense.
A good teacher is priceless !!!
Susan
Think of it as a liquid trying to penetrate and drain through a mass.
1000 ml thru 65grams coffee; ratio 15:1
400ml thru 27grams coffee: ratio 15:1
Should end up in the same pour time.
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So my 400 ml pour should take the same amount of time as B/J's 1000 ml pour?
Oh my....so hard to get my head around that....but I will work on it.
Susan
Well thank you for that.
Now it makes perfect sense.
A good teacher is priceless !!!
Susan
Think of it as a liquid trying to penetrate and drain through a mass.
1000 ml thru 65grams coffee; ratio 15:1
400ml thru 27grams coffee: ratio 15:1
Should end up in the same pour time.