Actually Steve the thermal caraf is fine. It's on par with the technivorm. Much better than bonavita which IMO is the worst of the best brewers. Nothing and i mean nothing compares to the Newco caraf.
Currently my biggest frustrations with the oxo is the condensation in both chambers and the anti drip valve gets stuck on mine and is really poorly designed- flimsy.
But the quality of the brew makes up for all that.
