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Title: '82 Olympia Cremina Lever...
Post by: BoldJava on May 08, 2011, 02:56:31 PM
will migrate from Chicago to Lake Cheddar in July/August.  Bought Warrior's red '82 Cremina.  No rush -- anticipation is delicious.

Mike is replacing all the gaskets and o-rings (cap is tipped in Southerly direction).  When I go south to pick it up, I will catch a lesson or two on the mechanics of a lever as well as some basic PM learnings.

As he tore down the boiler for descaling, he grabbed this shot.  Check out the heating element.  10 minutes to warm-up.

Mike is rebuilding a San Marco and shopping for a powder coater.  If he lands a good one, I will jump aboard.  It presently is red.  OE says historical colors are anthracite, red, chocolate, and coppertone (never seen one).  The 2011 adds white to the NAmer line-up.  I am wrestling with traditional colors vs a subdued-sparkle locomotive gray cover with a black-black footer-frame.

Stay tuned.

Title: Re: '82 Olympia Cremina Lever...
Post by: BoldJava on May 08, 2011, 05:26:15 PM
All the Warrior's horses, and all the Warrior's men
Could put Kristina Cremina together again.

Boiler is 1.1 liter, 37 oz
Title: Re: '82 Olympia Cremina Lever...
Post by: staylor on May 08, 2011, 07:10:33 PM
Red, all the way!
Title: Re: '82 Olympia Cremina Lever...
Post by: BoldJava on May 08, 2011, 07:41:24 PM
Red, merlot, wine?

Red, all the way!


(http://indigopeacock.files.wordpress.com/2010/03/red_spectrum.jpg)
Title: Re: '82 Olympia Cremina Lever...
Post by: John F on May 08, 2011, 07:43:41 PM
Ferrari.
Title: Re: '82 Olympia Cremina Lever...
Post by: mp on May 08, 2011, 08:16:37 PM
Ferrari.

That would be the third one ... wouldn't it?

Congratulations Mr. B|OlympiaLever!

You're getting a Cadilac at the price of a VW.

 :)
Title: Re: '82 Olympia Cremina Lever...
Post by: doubleosoul on May 08, 2011, 09:42:10 PM
All the Warrior's horses, and all the Warrior's men
Could put Kristina Cremina together again.

Boiler is 1.1 liter, 37 oz
Lucky dog. That looks to be a beauty!
Title: Re: '82 Olympia Cremina Lever...
Post by: staylor on May 08, 2011, 10:09:31 PM
I'm thinking this:

Valet scene from Ferris Bueller's Day Off (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XVACbEHkV2Q#)

It seems these guys also enjoyed this red:

Ferris Bueller's Day Off - Star Wars Ferrari Flight (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_S7AyiVfNdA#ws)
Title: Re: '82 Olympia Cremina Lever...
Post by: BoldJava on May 08, 2011, 11:17:03 PM
Red, all the way!


I will link in a discussion of OEM colors on Creminas from Doug at OrphanEspresso.  http://goo.gl/0kMLT (http://goo.gl/0kMLT)

I am now leaning toward having it powder coated in its original colors, black underframe and Olympia red casing.  Funny how keeping it true-to-manufacture is tugging at me.
Title: Re: '82 Olympia Cremina Lever...
Post by: BoldJava on May 09, 2011, 09:02:26 AM

I see you are up at an early hour. How you doing?

Extremely well, thanks.

B|Java
Title: Re: '82 Olympia Cremina Lever...
Post by: BoldJava on May 09, 2011, 04:41:44 PM
Ah, here is the coppertone Cremina.  Mercy, mine won't be that color.

B|Java
Title: Re: '82 Olympia Cremina Lever...
Post by: BoldJava on May 09, 2011, 05:42:17 PM
...
I am now leaning toward having it powder coated in its original colors, black underframe and Olympia red casing.  Funny how keeping it true-to-manufacture is tugging at me.

If I get it powder coated, it is going to be black-on-black.  When we relocate in a couple of years, odds are that our home will be from the 30s/40s.  A red espresso machine will look out of place in too many of the kitchens.  Black-on-black makes sense from both a traditional integrity as well as a practical point of view.

The image is Steve Robinson's from Home-Barista.com.  It is a 2002 w/gauge, not on the '82.
Title: Re: '82 Olympia Cremina Lever...
Post by: grinderz on May 09, 2011, 08:26:53 PM
Red! B|Bold!   ;D
Title: Re: '82 Olympia Cremina Lever...
Post by: peter on May 09, 2011, 09:21:47 PM
Black, to match your grinder...
Title: Re: '82 Olympia Cremina Lever...
Post by: BoldJava on May 09, 2011, 09:23:51 PM
Black, to match your grinder...

Chrome.
Title: Re: '82 Olympia Cremina Lever...
Post by: peter on May 09, 2011, 09:34:53 PM
Black, to match your grinder...

Chrome.

Aren't you supposed to be in bed, recuperating?
Title: Re: '82 Olympia Cremina Lever...
Post by: BoldJava on May 10, 2011, 03:20:36 AM
Black, to match your grinder...

Actually, you are right.  There is black trim on my chrome Macap.  Just dawned on me pre-dawn.  Thanks for the reminder.

B|Java
Title: Re: '82 Olympia Cremina Lever...
Post by: Tex on May 10, 2011, 09:23:03 AM
Black, to match your grinder...


Actually, you are right.  There is black trim on my chrome Macap.  Just dawned on me pre-dawn.  Thanks for the reminder.

B|Java


Purple & Gold: Viking colors!
(http://www.sportslogos.net/images/logos/7/172/full/885.gif)
Title: Re: '82 Olympia Cremina Lever...
Post by: BoldJava on May 10, 2011, 09:36:43 AM

Purple & Gold: Viking colors!
I am sure there is a green and gold someone in this fine cheese state.  I can assure you there won't be a second one here.  I will have to figure out how to become a Vikings/Twinkies fan in a couple of years.  That can wait.

B|Java
Title: Re: '82 Olympia Cremina Lever...
Post by: Tex on May 10, 2011, 10:25:56 AM
Makes it hard to be a Vikings fan when the team is asking the public to pay for 65% of a new stadium (950m) while millionaire players and billionaire owners are squabbling over what to do with billions in media revenue. (not on the table is any reference to making tickets more affordable to the public)
Curly

Houston's already forked over 3/4 billion for Reliant Stadium, so no sympathy from this direction. Man up and pay your dues!
Title: Re: '82 Olympia Cremina Lever...
Post by: BoldJava on May 10, 2011, 03:25:25 PM
Warrior found a powdercoat king.  Black gloss shell and a black gloss frame. 

B|Java
Title: Re: '82 Olympia Cremina Lever...
Post by: peter on May 10, 2011, 03:35:33 PM
Warrior found a powdercoat king.  Black gloss shell and a black gloss frame. 

B|Java

Black is the new black.
Title: Re: '82 Olympia Cremina Lever...
Post by: staylor on May 10, 2011, 03:44:30 PM
Red is the black that black always wanted to be.
Title: Re: '82 Olympia Cremina Lever...
Post by: staylor on May 10, 2011, 03:53:31 PM
And just in case you are starting to get sweaty palms from the lever anticipation, here's one from today that should notch up your lever imagination B|Lever.

Moreninha Formosa and Dukundekawa (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MVzpu_rYJzA#)
Title: Re: '82 Olympia Cremina Lever...
Post by: BoldJava on May 10, 2011, 04:43:11 PM
And just in case you are starting to get sweaty palms from the lever anticipation...

Moreninha Formosa and Dukundekawa ([url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MVzpu_rYJzA#[/url])


Couple of questions.

1.  Why do you let the kids whistle while you work?
2.  Who was on the ladder filming?

B|Java
Title: Re: '82 Olympia Cremina Lever...
Post by: Stubbie on May 10, 2011, 07:11:26 PM
I also have a couple of questions.

1) Is that the new Foo Fighters?  I've only heard the single they released and don't recognize that tune
2) Did the Formosa settle down for you?

And one statement of fact.

1) I hate you for your mad milk skills

-Stubbie
Title: Re: '82 Olympia Cremina Lever...
Post by: staylor on May 10, 2011, 09:51:46 PM
And just in case you are starting to get sweaty palms from the lever anticipation...

Moreninha Formosa and Dukundekawa ([url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MVzpu_rYJzA#[/url])


Couple of questions.

1.  Why do you let the kids whistle while you work?
2.  Who was on the ladder filming?

B|Java


1.  Sometimes I tire of Classical so I let them whistle new releases every so often.
2.  That's what things look like through my right eye, it looks much closer through my left eye.
Title: Re: '82 Olympia Cremina Lever...
Post by: staylor on May 10, 2011, 09:59:43 PM
I also have a couple of questions.

1) Is that the new Foo Fighters?  I've only heard the single they released and don't recognize that tune
2) Did the Formosa settle down for you?

And one statement of fact.

1) I hate you for your mad milk skills

-Stubbie


1) It is the new Foo Fighters, I highly recommend the entire CD.
2) Once I shifted things to a slower ramp and giving it more time it settled way down, that was a good call, gracias.

It was a pretty casual pour, I'll try harder next time. If you want to hear another song from the CD, here's a very short video pour I did just prior to the video listed above. The white balance didn't correct very well to show the heart striations so it looks kinda plain jane, but it was actually a nice little heart.

Quick latte heart pour (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2OFHecuZWaM#)
Title: Re: '82 Olympia Cremina Lever...
Post by: Ringo on May 11, 2011, 04:12:14 AM
I think Red outside and Black frame would look great, paint a big "O" on the side for Outstanding.  I believe the espresso will be a more consistent winner then, not so hit or miss. I am really sorry, I tried to hold it in.

Ringo from "O"hio
Title: Re: '82 Olympia Cremina Lever...
Post by: BoldJava on May 11, 2011, 04:27:48 AM
I think Red outside and Black frame would look great, paint a big "O" on the side for Outstanding.  I believe the espresso will be a more consistent winner then, not so hit or miss. I am really sorry, I tried to hold it in.

Ringo from "O"hio

No to you.
No to Jim, in case he was thinking it.
Definitely no to TheJavaMan just because.

Black on black.  Done.  We are on to woods, now.  And no chestnuts as well as buckeyes wood.
Title: Re: '82 Olympia Cremina Lever...
Post by: BoldJava on May 11, 2011, 05:36:25 AM
...
1.  Sometimes I tire of Classical so I let them whistle new releases every so often.
2.  That's what things look like through my right eye, it looks much closer through my left eye.

Heavens, don't want to even start you on the virtual image projection.  It would wake John up and we would lose all control of this tread.

RE:  Tamping.  I noticed that with your PVL, you are polishing more than going after 30#s.  Seems like a very light tamp compared to the mantra, "30 lbs..."

Is a lever different?  Is it your grind that is different?  Is it just the PVL?
Title: Re: '82 Olympia Cremina Lever...
Post by: BoldJava on May 11, 2011, 05:40:27 AM
Woods.  Commissioning Dave Stephens to do a complete set of woods.
^ Tamper on Reg Barber SS base
^  Steam knob
^  Lever
^  Portafilter handle

Not boiler cap.  He says the heat and moisture do too much damage to it.  Woods?  Thinking very dark to complement the glossy black on black.  Let me toss up some examples to chew on.  Desert wood is out - too pricey.

Wenge
Coconut palm (dark)
Walnut
Black Walnut
bocote
cocobolo
Macassar Ebony
Title: Re: '82 Olympia Cremina Lever...
Post by: BoldJava on May 11, 2011, 05:42:29 AM
Wenge

(http://www.thewoodbox.com/images/woodimages/wenge2.jpg)



Dark Coconut wood

(http://www.hutproducts.com/images/d672.jpg)



Walnut

(http://www.bamboofloorings.org/wp-content/uploads/2010/12/Walnut-Wood-Floors.jpg)




Black Walnut

(http://sp.life123.com/bm.pix/black-walnut.s600x600.jpg)




Bocote

(http://goo.gl/azrJr)



Cocobolo

(http://www.home-barista.com/forums/userpix/80_img_0019.jpg)





Title: Re: '82 Olympia Cremina Lever...
Post by: BoldJava on May 11, 2011, 05:58:42 AM
Macassar Ebony

(http://www.home-barista.com/forums/userpix/80_img_0032.jpg)
Title: Re: '82 Olympia Cremina Lever...
Post by: Ringo on May 11, 2011, 06:23:30 AM
A red one sitting beside a black one, both are sharp.  http://olympiacremina.blogspot.com/search?updated-min=2009-01-01T00%3A00%3A00-08%3A00&updated-max=2010-01-01T00%3A00%3A00-08%3A00&max-results=27 (http://olympiacremina.blogspot.com/search?updated-min=2009-01-01T00%3A00%3A00-08%3A00&updated-max=2010-01-01T00%3A00%3A00-08%3A00&max-results=27)
Title: Re: '82 Olympia Cremina Lever...
Post by: staylor on May 11, 2011, 06:56:08 AM
...
1.  Sometimes I tire of Classical so I let them whistle new releases every so often.
2.  That's what things look like through my right eye, it looks much closer through my left eye.

Heavens, don't want to even start you on the virtual image projection.  It would wake John up and we would lose all control of this tread.

RE:  Tamping.  I noticed that with your PVL, you are polishing more than going after 30#s.  Seems like a very light tamp compared to the mantra, "30 lbs..."

Is a lever different?  Is it your grind that is different?  Is it just the PVL?

It's a lever thing. At least that's what I've finally come down to but maybe others are doing 30lbs with their lever.
Title: Re: '82 Olympia Cremina Lever...
Post by: milowebailey on May 11, 2011, 07:04:11 AM
Bubinga is one of my favorite woods.... it would go well with your new yellow machine.


(http://www.home-barista.com/forums/userpix/80_img_0042.jpg)

(http://www.coffeetamper.com/store/pc/catalog/wood/tall-bubinga.jpg)
Title: Re: '82 Olympia Cremina Lever...
Post by: BoldJava on May 11, 2011, 07:20:21 AM
Here is his work with arabica wood.  Most "coffee" wood out there is not from the coffee family.

(http://www.home-barista.com/forums/userpix/80_img_4409.jpg)
Title: Re: '82 Olympia Cremina Lever...
Post by: Ringo on May 11, 2011, 07:36:41 AM
My day job is hardwood lumber, I have some 2" thick cherry scrap, drying some 3 inch thick right now.  Outside my door I have around 1 million board feet drying, only domestic hardwoods.  B/J its from Ohio so its extra tough.  I looked at the Bubinga online, that is really nice.

Ringo
Title: Re: '82 Olympia Cremina Lever...
Post by: peter on May 11, 2011, 07:44:24 AM
I like my Wenge RB tamper, but don't think it's dark enough to go on a black/chrome machine.  Plus, the grain is a tad too open IMO; I'd like something smoother that will take a better shine.
Title: Re: '82 Olympia Cremina Lever...
Post by: milowebailey on May 11, 2011, 09:06:07 AM
You can even get the B|Java Logo added to your delron cap from these guys (http://www.coffeetamper.com)... truly a custom tamper.... even 0.1mm size differences in the base.

I may have to order one from here....

http://www.coffeetamper.com (http://www.coffeetamper.com)
Title: Re: '82 Olympia Cremina Lever...
Post by: staylor on May 11, 2011, 11:40:53 AM
Here you go B|Lever, just like a first person shooter video game.

Tulip latte pour (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SKmh-m7qi9Y#)
Title: Re: '82 Olympia Cremina Lever...
Post by: BoldJava on May 12, 2011, 07:11:46 AM
Gents, thanks for the offers on the cherry wood.  I have an email in to Cannonfodder.  I am leaning toward a Macassar ebony, cocobolo, or bocote.  I have asked C|F to weigh in on ideas, prices, etc.  I like the dark woods but with apparent grain showing.

B|Java
Title: Re: '82 Olympia Cremina Lever...
Post by: BoldJava on May 13, 2011, 09:22:55 AM
Ordered the complete gasket/o-ring kit, new feet for post-powder coating, and lever pins from OE.  On their way to Chicago for the next step on the Cremina.

I am looking at a Richard Penney naked filter from OE.  Pricey, but this will be done once.  Will look nice with a wood handle.  http://www.orphanespresso.com/Richard-Penney-49mm-Bottomless-Portafilter--Brass-OR-Stainless_p_3495.html (http://www.orphanespresso.com/Richard-Penney-49mm-Bottomless-Portafilter--Brass-OR-Stainless_p_3495.html)

Stainless steel. 

Good, basic intro to the Cremina here:  http://www.freshcoffeeshop.com/Coffee/en/espresso/olympia-cremina (http://www.freshcoffeeshop.com/Coffee/en/espresso/olympia-cremina)

Tons of solid info on the H-B lever forum as well.  Have some time to pour over it.

B|Java
Title: Re: '82 Olympia Cremina Lever...
Post by: Warrior372 on May 13, 2011, 10:32:53 AM
I really like the new stainless steel one he is now making too! You could even go and get it chrome dipped if you wanted it to match the chrome of the Cremina. Although I do have to say they naturally look like they were meant to be together as is! Yours is going to look quite a bit like this one with the gloss black.

I should have the freshly gloss black powder coated outer shell and inner frame back either later today or Tuesday afternoon. I will call Ray after class to check on his progress.

Any updates on wood selection?
Title: Re: '82 Olympia Cremina Lever...
Post by: Warrior372 on May 13, 2011, 02:20:23 PM
Ray is one dedicated powder coater. He said he just took the pieces out of the melt down unit, was going to media blast them and should have them sprayed and baked by tomorrow sometime. Apparently he works weekends too. . . .
Title: Re: '82 Olympia Cremina Lever...
Post by: BoldJava on May 13, 2011, 02:23:59 PM
Hoo-ray.  I have been prayin' for Sprayin' Ray as he blasts and powders the Cremin.'

Nothing on wood.  Conferring with Cannonfodder on wood availability,etc.  Expect to button something down this weekend.

B|Java
Title: Re: '82 Olympia Cremina Lever...
Post by: farmroast on May 14, 2011, 08:13:37 AM
Congrats!
Gloss black should look sharp! With ebony seems appropriate and has a nice weight to it. I started with a Cremina and have brought in a bunch of other lever machines but the Cremina still rules. It's not for everyone but for those who can appreciate it there's nothing better out there. It's nice to fire the Cremina up with no fears of black box brain damage or plastic cheapo pressurestat failures etc., etc., etc.. The only issue with the older models is the switch. The ceramic can become worn/brittle at the pivot and fail. Keep an eye on it and be gentle. Doug has tried to find something to match but no luck. There is an alternative but just won't look like the original. I look forward to you getting your hand on the lever and sharing some comments.
farm
Title: Re: '82 Olympia Cremina Lever...
Post by: BoldJava on May 14, 2011, 08:27:25 AM
Ed, while I have you, what temp band width <?> do you see on your Cremina?  I have read tons at HB but can't find anyone speaking to it.
Title: Re: '82 Olympia Cremina Lever...
Post by: farmroast on May 14, 2011, 09:37:32 AM
The pressurestat is not tight in width but I kind of like it that way, gives a bit of flexibility. Combined with the manual lever the combinations of temp. and profiled pressure are endless. Doug has spoke of this too. I generally have it set around .9 for the top end. You'll have to accept that it will take time to be one with your Cremina but the journey is thoroughly enjoyable.
Title: Re: '82 Olympia Cremina Lever...
Post by: BoldJava on May 14, 2011, 09:59:48 AM
The pressurestat is not tight in width but I kind of like it that way, gives a bit of flexibility. Combined with the manual lever the combinations of temp. and profiled pressure are endless. Doug has spoke of this too. I generally have it set around .9 for the top end. You'll have to accept that it will take time to be one with your Cremina but the journey is thoroughly enjoyable.

I am sure it won't be as challenging as the Silvia was before Milo Fuji-ied it out with a PID.

B|Java
Title: Re: '82 Olympia Cremina Lever...
Post by: farmroast on May 14, 2011, 10:03:17 AM
I see you'll have a boiler neck adapter for a pressure gauge. I use mine a lot. Not sure what tips you've gathered from reading threads but a few handy ones are:
As warming up after bleeding off false pressure through the steam valve, warm the group by lifting the lever just before water flows and do a few pumps the flush/heat the group without wasting water.
Lift the lever just before flow before locking in the pf to avoid disturbing the puck.
With the boiler cap gauge in use and you want to take some time between pulls and avoid the head from getting too hot(not nearly the issue as with a Pavoni) I put a mug under the steam tip, shut off the machine and slightly crack open the steam valve to avoid building up negative pressure that can actually lift the lever. Reheating when your ready again is quite fast.
I don't find any of the issues with a Cremina frustrating like I have with other machines. You just need to learn how to manage them.
Title: Re: '82 Olympia Cremina Lever...
Post by: BoldJava on May 14, 2011, 10:16:04 AM
I see you'll have a boiler neck adapter for a pressure gauge...


Mike (Warrior) has some Rube Goldberg set-up he is arranging to use to check boiler pressure.  I couldn't follow the discussion but trust his efforts.

Off of work for a bit so I have been able to plow thru a top of HB material on the Cremina.  Your post is a nice, clean, quick summary of what I have read.  Before, I didn't understat pressurestats -- pstats.  Learned after Warrior explained it to me offline.  Heat via pressure.  Got it.

Here is Doug describing adjustment -- it helped me understand as well.  Did you put a mater on yours?

Olympia Pstat Adjustment and Mod (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zybZrQtAOAU#)
Title: Re: '82 Olympia Cremina Lever...
Post by: farmroast on May 14, 2011, 10:40:22 AM

 Did you put a mater on yours?
Nope, I like the old style. With time I think you will like it too. Everything on a Cremina offers flexibility in a good way once you get use to it. It is a high tech. "Manual Machine" in the purest and best sense of the term.
PS I thought I should clarify the "switch" issue I mentioned above on the '70s and early'80 machines is the on/off power switch 
Title: Re: '82 Olympia Cremina Lever...
Post by: Warrior372 on May 14, 2011, 12:06:40 PM
Olympia's proprietary pstat is definitely the way to go! Maters are finicky and break fairly often. I was going stir crazy today with the overcast weather in Chicago, so I came up with a polishing concoction inspired by some recipes in hot rodding forums. Here is the boiler before with asbestos, there is an original after somewhere in this thread already and here is the new after post polishing compound concoction.

If I can get all of the parts this shiny we might have to put a hinged 'hood' modification on the outer shell so you can prop it open and show off the inner workings of the machine.
Title: Re: '82 Olympia Cremina Lever...
Post by: mp on May 14, 2011, 12:10:17 PM
Great job Warrior.

You're refurbishing it into a beauty inside and out!

 :)
Title: Re: '82 Olympia Cremina Lever...
Post by: BoldJava on May 14, 2011, 12:12:59 PM
...

If I can get all of the parts this shiny we might have to put a hinged 'hood' modification on the outer shell so you can prop it open and show off the inner workings of the machine.

Man, you are bored <chuckles>.  Marine brass?

B|Java
Title: Re: '82 Olympia Cremina Lever...
Post by: Warrior372 on May 14, 2011, 12:51:31 PM
No super weird combination of things (some I had heard of before last night and others I had not) plus a toothbrush. Apparently hot rod rebuilders are even more odd than espresso machine collectors . . .
Title: Re: '82 Olympia Cremina Lever...
Post by: John F on May 14, 2011, 04:26:44 PM
 It would wake John up and we would lose all control of this tread.

Preposterous!

And by the way when you keep saying cocobolo wood I can only think of one thing. Isn't this the reason cocobolo was invented?



Title: Re: '82 Olympia Cremina Lever...
Post by: grinderz on May 14, 2011, 05:05:22 PM
 It would wake John up and we would lose all control of this tread.


Preposterous!

And by the way when you keep saying cocobolo wood I can only think of one thing. Isn't this the reason cocobolo was invented?





Nope! Here's the real reason!

(http://www.sixguns.com/galleries/images/tgrip2.jpg)
Title: Re: '82 Olympia Cremina Lever...
Post by: grinderz on May 14, 2011, 05:07:23 PM
This thread is now officially hi-jacked!  ;D
Title: Re: '82 Olympia Cremina Lever...
Post by: BoldJava on May 14, 2011, 08:14:53 PM
Cocobolo it will be.

B|Java
Title: Re: '82 Olympia Cremina Lever...
Post by: Warrior372 on May 14, 2011, 08:46:25 PM
It is all already made for you? If so, wow that was quick!
Title: Re: '82 Olympia Cremina Lever...
Post by: mp on May 14, 2011, 09:37:59 PM
This thread is now officially hi-jacked!  ;D

Yeah ... so what else is new?

 ;D
Title: Re: '82 Olympia Cremina Lever...
Post by: mp on May 14, 2011, 09:38:50 PM
Cocobolo it will be.

B|Java

Great choice B|WoodSelecter!

Looks very distinctive.

 :)
Title: Re: '82 Olympia Cremina Lever...
Post by: BoldJava on May 15, 2011, 03:53:53 AM
It is all already made for you? If so, wow that was quick!

No, that was for illustrative purposes.  Cannonfodder needs dimensions for depth of tap, etc.  I will put him in touch with you.

B|Java
Title: Re: '82 Olympia Cremina Lever...
Post by: BoldJava on May 15, 2011, 05:25:32 AM
Just placed the wood order.  Cannonfodder is making them in cocobolo (reddish wood with black grained highlights)

`  Lever
`  Portafilter (1.5" longer than stock Cremina - very large hands)
`  Steam cap
`  Tamper (on a Reg Barber 49.4 ss base)
`  Boiler cap - just for show.  I will use standard cap when in use.  Dave Stephens said the heat would wear and tear the wood

I will order a Richard Penny bottomless portafilter from OE (http://www.home-barista.com/levers/cremina-portafilter-group-buy-order-in-t5046.html (http://www.home-barista.com/levers/cremina-portafilter-group-buy-order-in-t5046.html)) as well as a MCal double basket -- out of stock right now.

Getting closer.

B|Java
Title: Re: '82 Olympia Cremina Lever...
Post by: peter on May 15, 2011, 06:04:22 AM
Along with the maneuvers for your back, you should add in some right arm calisthenics, while you're waiting. 
Title: Re: '82 Olympia Cremina Lever...
Post by: BoldJava on May 15, 2011, 06:13:28 AM
Along with the maneuvers for your back, you should add in some right arm calisthenics, while you're waiting. 


Afraid of getting all the muscle memory right only to find out that it is the wrong maneuver.  The Ol' Fellini pull at 2:40:

Fellini Move or Fellini Maneuver scene from Fellini's 'Orchestra Rehearsal' film (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xuiXwOOkib4#)

Title: Re: '82 Olympia Cremina Lever...
Post by: mp on May 15, 2011, 06:37:11 AM
Just placed the wood order.  Cannonfodder is making them in cocobolo (reddish wood with black grained highlights)

`  Lever
`  Portafilter (1.5" longer than stock Cremina - very large hands)
`  Steam cap
`  Tamper (on a Reg Barber 49.4 ss base)
`  Boiler cap - just for show.  I will use standard cap when in use.  Dave Stephens said the heat would wear and tear the wood

I will order a Richard Penny bottomless portafilter from OE ([url]http://www.home-barista.com/levers/cremina-portafilter-group-buy-order-in-t5046.html[/url] ([url]http://www.home-barista.com/levers/cremina-portafilter-group-buy-order-in-t5046.html[/url])) as well as a MCal double basket -- out of stock right now.

Getting closer.

B|Java


You'll have the most unique looking Cremina in existence.

 ;)
Title: Re: '82 Olympia Cremina Lever...
Post by: Tex on May 15, 2011, 12:46:57 PM
Just placed the wood order.  Cannonfodder is making them in cocobolo (reddish wood with black grained highlights)

`  Lever
`  Portafilter (1.5" longer than stock Cremina - very large hands)
`  Steam cap
`  Tamper (on a Reg Barber 49.4 ss base)
`  Boiler cap - just for show.  I will use standard cap when in use.  Dave Stephens said the heat would wear and tear the wood

I will order a Richard Penny bottomless portafilter from OE ([url]http://www.home-barista.com/levers/cremina-portafilter-group-buy-order-in-t5046.html[/url] ([url]http://www.home-barista.com/levers/cremina-portafilter-group-buy-order-in-t5046.html[/url])) as well as a MCal double basket -- out of stock right now.

Getting closer.

B|Java


You'll have the most unique looking Cremina in existence.

 ;)


 :-X
Title: Re: '82 Olympia Cremina Lever...
Post by: mp on May 15, 2011, 12:48:44 PM
Just placed the wood order.  Cannonfodder is making them in cocobolo (reddish wood with black grained highlights)

`  Lever
`  Portafilter (1.5" longer than stock Cremina - very large hands)
`  Steam cap
`  Tamper (on a Reg Barber 49.4 ss base)
`  Boiler cap - just for show.  I will use standard cap when in use.  Dave Stephens said the heat would wear and tear the wood

I will order a Richard Penny bottomless portafilter from OE ([url]http://www.home-barista.com/levers/cremina-portafilter-group-buy-order-in-t5046.html[/url] ([url]http://www.home-barista.com/levers/cremina-portafilter-group-buy-order-in-t5046.html[/url])) as well as a MCal double basket -- out of stock right now.

Getting closer.

B|Java


You'll have the most unique looking Cremina in existence.

 ;)


 :-X


 :o :o :o
Title: Re: '82 Olympia Cremina Lever...
Post by: farmroast on May 15, 2011, 01:08:36 PM
While your at it, why not have Dave make an extra pf handle for your OEM dbl spout pf to go along with the one for the Penny pf!
Title: Re: '82 Olympia Cremina Lever...
Post by: Tex on May 15, 2011, 01:14:10 PM
Just placed the wood order.  Cannonfodder is making them in cocobolo (reddish wood with black grained highlights)

`  Lever
`  Portafilter (1.5" longer than stock Cremina - very large hands)
`  Steam cap
`  Tamper (on a Reg Barber 49.4 ss base)
`  Boiler cap - just for show.  I will use standard cap when in use.  Dave Stephens said the heat would wear and tear the wood

I will order a Richard Penny bottomless portafilter from OE ([url]http://www.home-barista.com/levers/cremina-portafilter-group-buy-order-in-t5046.html[/url] ([url]http://www.home-barista.com/levers/cremina-portafilter-group-buy-order-in-t5046.html[/url])) as well as a MCal double basket -- out of stock right now.

Getting closer.

B|Java


You'll have the most unique looking Cremina in existence.

 ;)


 :-X


 :o :o :o


I was just referring to the color. :angel: ;D
Title: Re: '82 Olympia Cremina Lever...
Post by: mp on May 15, 2011, 01:36:11 PM
May not be too bad with the color of the wood for the portafilter and grinder sitting next to it.

 :)
Title: Re: '82 Olympia Cremina Lever...
Post by: BoldJava on May 17, 2011, 07:41:56 AM
While your at it, why not have Dave make an extra pf handle for your OEM dbl spout pf to go along with the one for the Penny pf!


Thanks, I just did.  Project is moving along with a Penney bottomless PF, spare boiler cap for wood molding, and tamper base going to Cannonfodder for his crafting.  Ordered a 2-shot PF Elektra basket from Stefano's. OE was out of stock and Chris doesn't stock. Stefano's jumped right on the order, providing shipping within 2 hrs at 7.30a, Oregon time.  http://www.espressocare.com/index.html (http://www.espressocare.com/index.html)

Have some Bodum 3 oz cups (great for double dollop macchs) coming from OE as well as dosing funnel that I use with my doserless Macap.  Broke the top on my Yama 8-cup vacpot yesterday so tossed that in. Total shipping from OE cheaper than just the Yama top elsewhere.

Stay tuned for the powder coating.

B|Java

(http://www.1st-line.com/images/bodum/assam_4554-10.jpg)
Title: Re: '82 Olympia Cremina Lever...
Post by: Warrior372 on May 17, 2011, 11:20:32 AM
I spoke with Ray earlier today and he said the last of the pieces should be out of the oven around 4pm. Hopefully the biker did a great job on the espresso machine parts :) !
Title: Re: '82 Olympia Cremina Lever...
Post by: milowebailey on May 17, 2011, 11:36:18 AM


Stay tuned for the powder coating.

B|Java

Maybe they could powder coat some decent latte art inside a cup for you too!  ;D >:D
Title: Re: '82 Olympia Cremina Lever...
Post by: BoldJava on May 17, 2011, 06:44:26 PM
Glossy black.  Oh, hot, hot yumm.

Thanks Tiger-Ray (Vanilla Gorilla, Chicago) -- thanks Warrior.  Getting closer.
http://www.vanillagorillacoatingsystems.net/Process/powdercoat.html (http://www.vanillagorillacoatingsystems.net/Process/powdercoat.html)

B|Java
Title: Re: '82 Olympia Cremina Lever...
Post by: BoldJava on May 19, 2011, 03:13:14 AM
Phoenix rises from the table in Chicago, thanks to Warrior.  Sight-glass on right, running vertically.

✔  Gaskets hold
✔  O-rings tight
✔  Electrical
✔  Boiler to temp
✔  Group flows
✔  Steam

Switzerland uber alles.
Title: Re: '82 Olympia Cremina Lever...
Post by: BoldJava on May 19, 2011, 03:17:14 AM
'67' Brass boiler, 1.1 liter, on 1982 Cremina.  Asbestos removed.  2002, boiler jumped to 1.8 liters and composition changed to stainless steel.

PStat (pressurestat) in lower left.  Controls temperature.  Original pstat, now unavailable.  PStat swap-out would be a Mater, reported to control temps in narrower band but short-lived.
Title: Re: '82 Olympia Cremina Lever...
Post by: milowebailey on May 19, 2011, 06:15:57 AM
Pressurestat??...... PID that bad boy.  Didn't you learn from Miss Silvia? (I know there isn't a pressure stat on a silvia.... but you get my point).
Title: Re: '82 Olympia Cremina Lever...
Post by: farmroast on May 19, 2011, 06:27:14 AM
Pressurestat??...... PID that bad boy.  Didn't you learn from Miss Silvia? (I know there isn't a pressure stat on a silvia.... but you get my point).
yes, you could put training wheels on the Cremina.  ::)
Title: Re: '82 Olympia Cremina Lever...
Post by: peter on May 19, 2011, 08:03:33 AM
I like your idea of putting clear front and back panels on her. 
Title: Re: '82 Olympia Cremina Lever...
Post by: BoldJava on May 19, 2011, 08:25:14 AM
I like your idea of putting clear front and back panels on her.  

Saves on finger prints <grins>.  Give our grad student a break.  He is already spending too much time on it -- hope the books aren't suffering.  I bet it is good to go by this weekend.  Suit up, we will be headed south.

B|Java
Title: Re: '82 Olympia Cremina Lever...
Post by: staylor on May 19, 2011, 08:46:50 AM
Hope your trg regimen of one armed chin-ups is coming along. One with the lever.
Title: Re: '82 Olympia Cremina Lever...
Post by: Warrior372 on May 19, 2011, 08:50:21 AM
I like your idea of putting clear front and back panels on her. 

I really want to put a glass front on my 75 Series San Marco Lever. Getting 1/2" custom glass cut would just be so unnecessarily expensive . . . .  It would look cool though.
Title: Re: '82 Olympia Cremina Lever...
Post by: peter on May 19, 2011, 08:59:13 AM
I like your idea of putting clear front and back panels on her. 

I really want to put a glass front on my 75 Series San Marco Lever. Getting 1/2" custom glass cut would just be so unnecessarily expensive . . . .  It would look cool though.

You can learn to cut glass yourself...   ;)
Title: Re: '82 Olympia Cremina Lever...
Post by: BoldJava on May 19, 2011, 02:35:15 PM
Many leverheads use the Elektra double with the Cremina in the Penney bottomless.  It arrived from Stefano's today. Their service just won points in my book.  http://espressocare.com (http://espressocare.com). Here is:

49mm Elektra double (15g?)  vs the 58mm Zocco triple (I dose 17g) that I presently use with my bottomless on the Silvia.

Title: Re: '82 Olympia Cremina Lever...
Post by: Tex on May 19, 2011, 03:05:27 PM
I found the original blueprints for your Cremina, just in case Warrior needs it.

(http://images03.en.photo2010.info/en/imgs/1137725.jpg)
Title: Re: '82 Olympia Cremina Lever...
Post by: grinderz on May 19, 2011, 08:03:30 PM
I found the original blueprints for your Cremina, just in case Warrior needs it.

([url]http://images03.en.photo2010.info/en/imgs/1137725.jpg[/url])

Get your mind out of the sewer, Tex!  ::)
Title: Re: '82 Olympia Cremina Lever...
Post by: BoldJava on May 20, 2011, 03:00:58 AM
Warrior has done gorgeous work down in Chicago.  Thanks Mike!
All the bakelite parts will be replaced with cocobolo pieces.
Title: Re: '82 Olympia Cremina Lever...
Post by: BoldJava on May 20, 2011, 03:01:57 AM
Glossy Flossy.
Title: Re: '82 Olympia Cremina Lever...
Post by: BoldJava on May 20, 2011, 03:03:16 AM
Check the pstat settings.  I will probably find a hose that manages the heat and use this as is for "training wheels."  Once comfortable, want to have it set up as a push on/pull off on the steam value (Orphan Espresso has this design in stock).  I will visit our hardware store and try and get the right kind of tubing that can handle the heat.
Title: Re: '82 Olympia Cremina Lever...
Post by: BoldJava on May 20, 2011, 03:30:48 AM
Morning reveille.  Lever up!  http://usscouts.org/mb/bugle/reveille.mp3 (http://usscouts.org/mb/bugle/reveille.mp3) (speaker alert)

Title: Re: '82 Olympia Cremina Lever...
Post by: BoldJava on May 20, 2011, 03:53:44 AM
Time to point the Honda south.  Gas tank Full.
Title: Re: '82 Olympia Cremina Lever...
Post by: Tex on May 20, 2011, 07:22:13 AM
Time to point the Honda south.  Gas tank Full.

What's that, 1.5 hours to drive? I forget how close everything is there, when the only thing close in Texas is the highway and it goes on forever!

Enjoy the ride. :)
Title: Re: '82 Olympia Cremina Lever...
Post by: peter on May 20, 2011, 08:13:57 AM
2 hours w/ OK traffic.  But I'll wager that once The Great Goat has the Cremina in his possession, the drive home will take a half hour less, even though it will feel like two hours longer.
Title: Re: '82 Olympia Cremina Lever...
Post by: staylor on May 20, 2011, 09:41:00 AM
Looks awesome!
Title: Re: '82 Olympia Cremina Lever...
Post by: Tex on May 20, 2011, 10:01:33 AM
Looks awesome!

Peter's avatar? :o
Title: Re: '82 Olympia Cremina Lever...
Post by: staylor on May 20, 2011, 12:16:41 PM
Looks awesome!

Peter's avatar? :o

That's not an avatar, that's 'The Frou'.
Title: Re: '82 Olympia Cremina Lever...
Post by: peter on May 20, 2011, 01:08:03 PM
Looks awesome!


Peter's avatar? :o


That's not an avatar, that's 'The Frou'.


Be the frou.

My avatar is my level of Frou.  When I hit one out of the park, I feel pretty, oh so pretty, I feel pretty and witty and ...  you get the idea.  But that's still as good as my Frou is.

Now, if I was foaming and pouring like staylor, my Frou would have me feeling more like this;
(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_XibgYr68Ye8/TI3udl5jeEI/AAAAAAAAAgs/l-PUWw4JzrU/s400/8032-ballerina.jpg)
Title: Re: '82 Olympia Cremina Lever...
Post by: mp on May 20, 2011, 02:40:28 PM
That was an awesome restore job Warrior!

B|Lever ... now you have yourself a kickass lever espresso machine.

Waiting for your first pulls and your impression of the lever shots vs Miss Sylvia.

 :)
Title: Re: '82 Olympia Cremina Lever...
Post by: John F on May 20, 2011, 07:23:51 PM
Looking VERY sharp. 
 8)

Title: Re: '82 Olympia Cremina Lever...
Post by: Tex on May 20, 2011, 08:07:57 PM
Is pretty, wery pretty!
Title: Re: '82 Olympia Cremina Lever...
Post by: Warrior372 on May 20, 2011, 10:58:14 PM
Thank you!
Title: Re: '82 Olympia Cremina Lever...
Post by: staylor on May 21, 2011, 09:57:42 AM
Now, enough of the photos, how about the shots.
Title: Re: '82 Olympia Cremina Lever...
Post by: BoldJava on May 21, 2011, 10:10:26 AM
Now, enough of the photos, how about the shots.

Machine is in Chicago [Stop].  I am in Lake Cheddar [Stop].  I am headed south [Stop].  Making arrangements with Sir Warrior to pick up Glossy Flossy [Stop].  When can you visit and give lessons?  [Stop].

B|Swiss
Title: Re: '82 Olympia Cremina Lever...
Post by: staylor on May 21, 2011, 10:17:59 AM
Keep your head down and watch out for lever bandits along the way.

Title: Re: '82 Olympia Cremina Lever...
Post by: Tex on May 21, 2011, 10:39:00 AM
Now, enough of the photos, how about the shots.

Machine is in Chicago [Stop].  I am in Lake Cheddar [Stop].  I am headed south [Stop].  Making arrangements with Sir Warrior to pick up Glossy Flossy [Stop].  When can you visit and give lessons?  [Stop].

B|Swiss

You're making too many stops - drink less coffee before taking road trips! ;D Drive safely.
Title: Re: '82 Olympia Cremina Lever...
Post by: Warrior372 on May 21, 2011, 10:42:20 AM
Bring some roasted coffee you commonly use for making espresso and we can play around with it when you come to pick it up. I would pull some shots on it now, but then it would not be as shiny / clean.
Title: Re: '82 Olympia Cremina Lever...
Post by: BoldJava on May 21, 2011, 11:00:27 AM
Bring some roasted coffee you commonly use for making espresso and we can play around with it when you come to pick it up. I would pull some shots on it now, but then it would not be as shiny / clean.


I ordered 5 lbs of Red Bird Espresso and in my lever infancy, will just keep working the same coffee.  I will bring some down. I am off work for another 10 days so "let the games begin."

http://redbirdcoffee.com/redbirdespresso.html (http://redbirdcoffee.com/redbirdespresso.html)

By all means, feel free to play with it.  Go at it, like a warrior.


B|Java
Title: Re: '82 Olympia Cremina Lever...
Post by: Warrior372 on May 21, 2011, 11:29:25 AM
It is not my machine anymore . . . . If I played with it I would probably feel compelled to take it apart and clean it again, which I really do not want to do :) .

Excellent on the Red Bird news. I have heard great things about it, but never have had it. I have about 3 - 4 hours so you can hone in my Cimbali Jr. grinder, I have a basic metal 49mm tamper for you and you can try to impress me and whoever else shows up! Bring a special pitcher if you do not want to use an average joe one and I will get some low temp vat pasteurized 2% milk! I expect Staylorish like latte art right off the bat. . . .
Title: Re: '82 Olympia Cremina Lever...
Post by: BoldJava on May 21, 2011, 12:42:40 PM
...I have a basic metal 49mm tamper for you and you can try to impress me and whoever else shows up! Bring a special pitcher if you do not want to use an average joe one and I will get some low temp vat pasteurized 2% milk! I expect Staylorish like latte art right off the bat. . . .

Friday, May 27th, Lever-Heaven In Chi-town.  Peter is riding shot-gun; Jeff can't make it.

^ Olympia Cremina
^ Conti Prestina.

Microcimbali on the bench; San Marco 80 and '52 Conti Empress in various states of undress.
San Marco 75, 220v ready to go in the laundry room <heh, heh>.

I have a note out to Wild Bill and Pete7Over.

B|Leva'd
Title: Re: '82 Olympia Cremina Lever...
Post by: BoldJava on May 21, 2011, 12:52:34 PM
Keep your head down and watch out for lever bandits along the way.




That's why Peter is riding shotgun.  Dag'nabbit.  Speaker alert, http://www.angelfire.com/il/simpsonsfun/images/dagnabit.wav (http://www.angelfire.com/il/simpsonsfun/images/dagnabit.wav)

(http://www.movieactors.com/photos-wayne/johnwayne63.jpeg)
Title: Re: '82 Olympia Cremina Lever...
Post by: Ray T on May 21, 2011, 02:51:53 PM
Good Idea Dave you never know who may all saddled up and heading your way to intercept
Keep your head down and watch out for lever bandits along the way.




That's why Peter is riding shotgun.  Dag'nabbit.  Speaker alert, [url]http://www.angelfire.com/il/simpsonsfun/images/dagnabit.wav[/url] ([url]http://www.angelfire.com/il/simpsonsfun/images/dagnabit.wav[/url])

([url]http://www.movieactors.com/photos-wayne/johnwayne63.jpeg[/url])



(http://)

Are your hands getting all sweaty and stuff in anticipation??  ;D
Title: Re: '82 Olympia Cremina Lever...
Post by: BoldJava on May 21, 2011, 02:57:56 PM
Good Idea Dave you never know who may all saddled up and heading your way to intercept

...

Are your hands getting all sweaty and stuff in anticipation??  ;D

Yeah, Peter said something like that offline <grins>.

B|Java
Title: Re: '82 Olympia Cremina Lever...
Post by: mp on May 21, 2011, 03:01:54 PM
Don't worry ... you'll do great!

 ;)
Title: Re: '82 Olympia Cremina Lever...
Post by: peter on May 21, 2011, 03:18:20 PM
Keep your head down and watch out for lever bandits along the way.




That's why Peter is riding shotgun.  Dag'nabbit.  Speaker alert, [url]http://www.angelfire.com/il/simpsonsfun/images/dagnabit.wav[/url] ([url]http://www.angelfire.com/il/simpsonsfun/images/dagnabit.wav[/url])

([url]http://www.movieactors.com/photos-wayne/johnwayne63.jpeg[/url])


I can't believe it!  I finally get to be the good looking one.
Title: Re: '82 Olympia Cremina Lever...
Post by: John F on May 21, 2011, 04:12:01 PM

Microcimbali on the bench..

Waiting it's turn at bat? 
Title: Re: '82 Olympia Cremina Lever...
Post by: BoldJava on May 21, 2011, 04:20:10 PM

Microcimbali on the bench..

Waiting it's turn at bat?  

You are sharp for the end of the week.  I think Warrior said that Tiger-Ray, Mr PowderCoat, also polishes metal.  Warrior was talking about making that baby shine.

B|Java
Title: Re: '82 Olympia Cremina Lever...
Post by: John F on May 21, 2011, 04:35:52 PM
 Warrior was talking about making that baby shine.

[/quote

Shine is fine

And with as good a job as your paint looks a snazzy new updated color would really be cool eh?  8)
Title: Re: '82 Olympia Cremina Lever...
Post by: Warrior372 on May 21, 2011, 06:39:22 PM
Yes. Ray said he can give aluminum a mirror finish. We will see . . . I might be able to as well with my toothbrush and that special hot rod compound recipe :) . The machine has a bunch of rusted bolts on it. What it has not yet realized is that resistance in futile and I am not extremely patient when it comes to rusted bolts.
Title: Re: '82 Olympia Cremina Lever...
Post by: John F on May 21, 2011, 07:59:55 PM
What it has not yet realized is that resistance in futile and I am not extremely patient when it comes to rusted bolts.


Triumph - Fight The Good Fight (HQ) - Live US Festival 1983 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7goTCQgmNLQ#)
Title: Re: '82 Olympia Cremina Lever...
Post by: Warrior372 on May 21, 2011, 08:03:17 PM
I was 1 year old when that festival was happening :) .
Title: Re: '82 Olympia Cremina Lever...
Post by: John F on May 21, 2011, 08:10:07 PM
I was 1 year old when that festival was happening :) .

Well then you probably missed that era.... Still "fight the good fight".  8)

I was either at the end of Jr high or just in High school.
Title: Re: '82 Olympia Cremina Lever...
Post by: J.Jirehs Roaster on May 22, 2011, 12:41:22 PM
I was 1 year old when that festival was happening :) .

makes me feel old...
Title: Re: '82 Olympia Cremina Lever...
Post by: peter on May 22, 2011, 02:26:14 PM
I was 1 year old when that festival was happening :) .

makes me feel old...

That's 'cuz u r.
Title: Re: '82 Olympia Cremina Lever...
Post by: Tex on May 22, 2011, 04:55:04 PM
Orphan espresso sells mothers mag for shining up aluminum, bought some, but haven't tried it out yet.

I prefer cloth buffing wheels & polishing compounds.
Title: Re: '82 Olympia Cremina Lever...
Post by: grinderz on May 22, 2011, 05:45:58 PM
Gotta have some kind of coating for aluminum, too, to keep it from oxidizing almost instantly after polishing it.
Title: Re: '82 Olympia Cremina Lever...
Post by: Warrior372 on May 22, 2011, 07:26:39 PM
The Microcimbali is getting tossed. After cleaning it up enough to give it a good look I noticed that it has a pin size hole through the boiler. Normally I would just solder it, but with the aluminum of these machines being so finicky I do not want to bother with it.
Title: Re: '82 Olympia Cremina Lever...
Post by: John F on May 22, 2011, 07:30:22 PM
The Microcimbali is getting tossed.

 :(
Title: Re: '82 Olympia Cremina Lever...
Post by: peter on May 22, 2011, 07:52:59 PM
The Microcimbali is getting tossed.


 :(


"Taps" (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S-Xrlf3taEo#)
Title: Re: '82 Olympia Cremina Lever...
Post by: Warrior372 on May 22, 2011, 10:24:52 PM
I just nabbed a Red La Peppina to play with instead :) .
Title: Re: '82 Olympia Cremina Lever...
Post by: mp on May 23, 2011, 02:54:31 AM
I just nabbed a Red La Peppina to play with instead :) .

How much if you don't mind me asking?

 :)
Title: Re: '82 Olympia Cremina Lever...
Post by: Warrior372 on May 23, 2011, 10:24:05 AM
I think I saw your thread on HB talking about PIDing the La Peppina. Do, or anyone you know, have a diagram of how to PID it?

MP, I paid a little more than I wanted to for it :) .
Title: Re: '82 Olympia Cremina Lever...
Post by: John F on May 23, 2011, 11:36:37 AM
Love my La Peppina...

What is your shot volume with a full basket?

Oz of espresso and g of coffee?
Title: Re: '82 Olympia Cremina Lever...
Post by: BoldJava on May 23, 2011, 12:32:54 PM
I think I saw your thread on HB talking about PIDing the La Peppina. Do, or anyone you know, have a diagram of how to PID it?


PID:  http://www.home-barista.com/levers/new-la-peppina-owner-t512.html#p5008 (http://www.home-barista.com/levers/new-la-peppina-owner-t512.html#p5008)

Schematic:  http://www.home-barista.com/levers/new-la-peppina-owner-t512.html#p3396 (http://www.home-barista.com/levers/new-la-peppina-owner-t512.html#p3396)

 "Put 'da lime Peppina in 'da OE cup, you put 'da lime Peppina in 'da OE cup...<singing>

(http://www.home-barista.com/forums/img/i27-photobucket-com-albums-c177-luca-hb-account-Action-1.jpg)
Title: Re: '82 Olympia Cremina Lever...
Post by: BoldJava on May 23, 2011, 06:19:46 PM
John,

D'you see the crema on that double?  
Title: Re: '82 Olympia Cremina Lever...
Post by: John F on May 23, 2011, 06:30:22 PM
John,

D'you see the crema on that double?  

Yep...

Looks like maybe .75 ounce doubles.

Gotta consult with Staylever on what this means to the typical "4ozer" latte. Maybe 2 baskets and back to back doubles....maybe it means 3 ozers.  :icon_scratch:
Title: Re: '82 Olympia Cremina Lever...
Post by: Warrior372 on May 23, 2011, 06:36:23 PM
Yakster would likely know, but the 700W Peppina is not exactly known for it's steaming ability. I assume that is why at some point they made a 1000W?!? Also, I would think a PID would help it's efforts allowing the user to increase boiler temp post shot to drive up pressure?
Title: Re: '82 Olympia Cremina Lever...
Post by: BoldJava on May 23, 2011, 06:52:22 PM
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Looks like maybe .75 ounce doubles.

Gotta consult with Staylever on what this means to the typical "4ozer" latte. Maybe 2 baskets and back to back doubles....maybe it means 3 ozers.  :icon_scratch:


I ain't the Calgary Critter, but in my reading, most folks keep the same ratio of espresso: milk and just settle in with smaller drinks.

B|Java
Title: Re: '82 Olympia Cremina Lever...
Post by: John F on May 23, 2011, 06:58:15 PM
I ain't the Calgary Critter, but in my reading, most folks keep the same ratio of espresso: milk and just settle in with smaller drinks.


I can see that.

I can also see a shift towards the macchiato over the small milk latte with shots this size.
Title: Re: '82 Olympia Cremina Lever...
Post by: BoldJava on May 23, 2011, 07:00:01 PM
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I can also see a shift towards the macchiato over the small milk latte with shots this size.

Har, har, there goes yer art.

B|Java
Title: Re: '82 Olympia Cremina Lever...
Post by: staylor on May 23, 2011, 07:07:17 PM
I think a 1oz shot and 3oz of milk is just about perfect, for me.

Of course it depends on the coffee and how I want to pull it but as a general statement I like a 1 & 3 combo. Maybe a punchy coffee at .75oz would work but I think it would be a bit under-volume for my palate. Not that it would be bad or wrong, it would just be something less than what I like.

Most of the drinks in Sugar Land HQ were a 1 & 3 combo John, so that's gotta say something.
Title: Re: '82 Olympia Cremina Lever...
Post by: John F on May 23, 2011, 07:17:34 PM

Most of the drinks in Sugar Land HQ were a 1 & 3 combo John, so that's gotta say something.

For sure..

But with .75 oz doubles you have 3oz lattes.

I'm not sure what the shot volume of your lever is... would you opt for 3ozers or try back to back doubles (maybe an extra basket)? It would be pretty easy to do 4-5 oz drinks with double doubles. Maybe you are able to pull 1oz shots so this may not be an issue but I'm thinking out the .75 oz situation.

Title: Re: '82 Olympia Cremina Lever...
Post by: staylor on May 23, 2011, 08:17:45 PM

Most of the drinks in Sugar Land HQ were a 1 & 3 combo John, so that's gotta say something.

For sure..

But with .75 oz doubles you have 3oz lattes.

I'm not sure what the shot volume of your lever is... would you opt for 3ozers or try back to back doubles (maybe an extra basket)? It would be pretty easy to do 4-5 oz drinks with double doubles. Maybe you are able to pull 1oz shots so this may not be an issue but I'm thinking out the .75 oz situation.

These days I'm generally starting a shot with approx 14 - 14.5gms in the basket. I'll pull to get approx 1oz, but of course the coffee ultimately decides what the end result should be. I think as a rule of thumb it's fair to say a 1oz shot would be fairly standard with my PVL.

I've never pulled 2 x doubles into a milk drink, the PVL shots are so good that 1oz presents a lot in 3oz of milk. It would be easy to get 2 x doubles going at the same time as I've got the 2 grouphead machine, but I'm not interested in banging out 2 x doubles to pour in large milk because I enjoy savouring a small milk, giving it some real consideration, then tweaking the follow-on 1oz shot/3oz milk drink - which effectively gives me a different drink, if that's what I want.

Make sense?
Title: Re: '82 Olympia Cremina Lever...
Post by: BoldJava on May 26, 2011, 05:20:23 PM
Hardware for Friday:

Conti Prestina Lever
Oly Cremina Lever
La Peppina Lever

The Line-up:
Warrior
Wild Bill JJR
Peter
BoldJava

The Venue
Glen Ellyn, IL

Stay tuned for prose and pics.

B|Java


Conti Prestina (sample pic, dwarfing a copper-tone Cremina)

(http://www.francescoceccarelli.eu/Macchine/Conti/prestina_richard_1.JPG)

Glossy Flossy, Oly Cremina

(http://www.greencoffeebuyingclub.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=11648.0;attach=9968;image)


and La Peppina (sample pic)

(http://www.francescoceccarelli.eu/Macchine/FE-AR/Foto/lp_6597_gialla/CIMG5733.JPG)

Title: Re: '82 Olympia Cremina Lever...
Post by: peter on May 26, 2011, 05:21:49 PM
414-464-2188.

Call B|Java during the night to see if he can get to sleep. 
Title: Re: '82 Olympia Cremina Lever...
Post by: milowebailey on May 26, 2011, 07:08:15 PM
414-464-2188.

Call B|Java during the night to see if he can get to sleep. 
That's not one of those 1-900 numbers in disguise is it?

He should be in bed now.... old coot ;D
Title: Re: '82 Olympia Cremina Lever...
Post by: BoldJava on May 27, 2011, 04:32:41 AM
Czarina to B|Java:

"Hon, I know you are excited, but you might as well come in the house.  Peter won't be ready until 12:15 pm . . . "



(http://i608.photobucket.com/albums/tt170/stefy56/Judy%20in%20A%20child%20is%20waiting/untitled-2.jpg)
Title: Re: '82 Olympia Cremina Lever...
Post by: mp on May 27, 2011, 05:21:18 AM
Czarina to B|Java:

"Hon, I know you are excited, but you might as well come in the house.  Peter won't be ready until 12:15 pm . . . "

But Mommy ... I want to play with my B|Lever.

 ;)
Title: Re: '82 Olympia Cremina Lever...
Post by: staylor on May 27, 2011, 09:21:01 AM
Awesome!
Title: Re: '82 Olympia Cremina Lever...
Post by: Warrior372 on May 27, 2011, 04:34:28 PM
Uh oh . . . . I think we might have some converts! I believe it was after Dave pulled his 3rd shot on the Cremina (After first grinding much too fine, then dumping the beans into the doser and grinding to coarse) that he said it was better than anything he had ever pulled on his PID'd Silvia. Before they left Bill was talking to me about what lever would be the best to rebuild in true steam punk fashion with all of the innards exposed.

I think they might have been eyeballing the Peppina too John. . . .
Title: Re: '82 Olympia Cremina Lever...
Post by: John F on May 27, 2011, 05:03:51 PM

I think they might have been eyeballing the Peppina too John. . . .

I can feel it slowly slipping away.....  :help:
Title: Re: '82 Olympia Cremina Lever...
Post by: J.Jirehs Roaster on May 27, 2011, 07:25:39 PM

I think they might have been eyeballing the Peppina too John. . . .

I can feel it slowly slipping away.....  :help:

I didnt like the look of it.. its not slipping my way..

and last I saw Dave he was planing to spend the next 72 hours pulling shots.. staying awake on the fruits of his labor...
Title: Re: '82 Olympia Cremina Lever...
Post by: BoldJava on May 27, 2011, 07:28:18 PM
OK, had to head the Honda south to pick up the Swiss Miss in Illionois.  They say a picture is worth 1,000 words.  



Title: Re: '82 Olympia Cremina Lever...
Post by: BoldJava on May 27, 2011, 07:29:02 PM
Warrior didn't think we would show...traffic slowed us down.
Title: Re: '82 Olympia Cremina Lever...
Post by: BoldJava on May 27, 2011, 07:30:15 PM
I asked Warrior to show me how, one time. Mike said, "grind some up -- say 15 grams." (49mm)

I ground too tight, fer shere.  On the next attempt, Warrior tells the truth -- I dumped the beans in the top of the SJ hopper.  Really.  3-ring circus.  Can you tell I am a doserless boy?
Title: Re: '82 Olympia Cremina Lever...
Post by: BoldJava on May 27, 2011, 07:31:22 PM
Wild Bill, JJR, was in charge of grinding.
Title: Re: '82 Olympia Cremina Lever...
Post by: BoldJava on May 27, 2011, 07:33:05 PM
The Conti Pristina is soooooo retro and cool looking.  I think it is '81 model (edit - '91). 110v, 1 group.  Total eye candy.  58mm PF/basket.
Title: Re: '82 Olympia Cremina Lever...
Post by: BoldJava on May 27, 2011, 07:34:20 PM
Conti shot -
Title: Re: '82 Olympia Cremina Lever...
Post by: BoldJava on May 27, 2011, 07:38:03 PM
Ah, the Peppina.  What a simple little fascinating thing (45mm).  This is as clean a sample as I have seen of the Peppina.
Title: Re: '82 Olympia Cremina Lever...
Post by: BoldJava on May 27, 2011, 07:43:02 PM
No pressurized boiler.  The Peppina merely openly boils the water and you supply the bars.  Here is the boiling kettle, from above.  Warrior has an Auber PID ordered to hold the kettle heater at a precise point and then, lever away.
Title: Re: '82 Olympia Cremina Lever...
Post by: BoldJava on May 27, 2011, 07:47:24 PM
...To market, to market, to buy a Swiss Miss,
Home again, home again, jiggety-jiss

To market, to market, to buy Glossy Flossy,
Home again, home again, jiggety-jossy

To market, to market, to buy a sweet rig,
Home again, home again, so black and not too big.


Title: Re: '82 Olympia Cremina Lever...
Post by: BoldJava on May 27, 2011, 07:50:06 PM
Thoughts from the day:

^  Warrior is a lever-head if I have ever met one.  A second bedroom is a shrine to levers in a variety of levels of repair.  You have to stop if in Chi-town.
^  Warrior did a super job on the restoration of my machine ("my" being the operative word today).  Could not be more more pleased.
^  Three lever machines, all 3 going at once. Very, very different experiences.  Yikes, my head hurt.
^  Best shot?  Came from the Peppina.  We were using Red Bird (Bozeman, MT) -- the shot from the Peppina was a Snickers bomb.  Caramel, chocolates, syrupy, nuts.
^  Learning curve is going to be steep on the Swiss Miss.  (Reaching for ladder).  You can see the potential, realize what variable has been added, envision the curve ahead, and sip the pleasure on the way.  I pulled 3 shots; all OK.  None outstanding but none went to the sink.
Title: Re: '82 Olympia Cremina Lever...
Post by: John F on May 27, 2011, 08:00:23 PM
[exceptionally deep and intense voice] Take a look at the black mamba. [/exceptionally deep and intense voice]

Title: Re: '82 Olympia Cremina Lever...
Post by: BoldJava on May 27, 2011, 08:04:51 PM
Levers.

If I understand this correctly, boilers provide about 1 bar.
^  Semi-automatics' pumps add about 8 bars to deliver the espresso
^  Levers - whether straight hand lever or spring assisted, the lever adds the approx 8 bars, right?

With the Peppina, there is no boiler.  The entire 9 bars comes from that repeated pumping action, correct?

Delightful afternoon.  Thanks Mike and Bill.

B|Java
Title: Re: '82 Olympia Cremina Lever...
Post by: milowebailey on May 27, 2011, 08:13:45 PM
U N C L E . . . . .

My Lever is the next project...... Propane lever!!!!  How do you PID a propane boiler?
Title: Re: '82 Olympia Cremina Lever...
Post by: John F on May 27, 2011, 08:21:34 PM
 How do you PID a propane boiler?

Why would you PID a propane  ;Dboiler?

Doesn't a propane boiler beg for humongo flames lapping up over the sides of the machine?
Title: Re: '82 Olympia Cremina Lever...
Post by: milowebailey on May 27, 2011, 08:26:24 PM
 How do you PID a propane boiler?

Why would you PID a propane  ;Dboiler?

Doesn't a propane boiler beg for humongo flames lapping up over the sides of the machine?
Same reason you'd PID any espresso machine...... temperature control, could be a fun project!
Title: Re: '82 Olympia Cremina Lever...
Post by: Warrior372 on May 27, 2011, 11:48:23 PM
Levers.

If I understand this correctly, boilers provide about 1 bar.
^  Semi-automatics' pumps add about 8 bars to deliver the espresso
^  Levers - whether straight hand lever or spring assisted, the lever adds the approx 8 bars, right?

With the Peppina, there is no boiler.  The entire 9 bars comes from that repeated pumping action, correct?

Delightful afternoon.  Thanks Mike and Bill.

B|Java

Most lever boilers are set to around 1 bar generally. Semi-Auto vibratory or rotary pumps are a linear 8-10 bars. Spring levers are generally geared to start at 9 bars and end at zero, but that will depend on the specific machines spring setup as well as the age / fatigue of that spring. The smooth pressure profile from 9 to 0 is one thing many people say adds to the uniqueness / clarity of a spring lever shot. With a manual lever you are the one producing the bars of pressure. You can pull really lightly and produce 2 or really really hard and produce 14 (I have no idea how many bars you would actually produce pulling extremely hard). The La Peppina simply relies on pressure from the spring, as I believe water just passively flows downward toward the puck when you pull the lever down and once you let go of the lever the spring takes over.

The Conti is a '91, which I believe was the last year they made them. It is unique in that it has a 2 piece group versus the majority of the other years they were produced where they had 3 piece groups.

Absolutely spectacular first picture of me there! The best part is that was how animated I was before all of the espresso . . . .

How many more shots did you pull after you got home?

I had absolutely no problem staying awake for the 5 hour drive to the Detroit suburbs. It is almost 3AM here and I am still pretty wide awake . . .

Thank you to Dave and Bill for stopping by! Also, thank you for the intro to Red Bird. I hope you love the lever. I look forward to following your transition from a pump machine to a lever as well as following you through the learning curve. The remaining 4 pounds or so or Red Bird should help. . . . .
Title: Re: '82 Olympia Cremina Lever...
Post by: BoldJava on May 28, 2011, 04:08:43 AM
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Most lever boilers are set to around 1 bar generally... The smooth pressure profile from 9 to 0 is one thing many people say adds to the uniqueness / clarity of a spring lever shot. With a manual lever you are the one producing the bars of pressure. You can pull really lightly and produce 2 or really really hard and produce 14...

The variability of torque applied to that manual lever is going to be a ton of learning.  I varied each of the 3 pulls I did yesterday and it was immediately apparent in both the flow and the drink how different amounts of torque on the lever impact the espresso.

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The Conti is a '91, which I believe was the last year they made them.
 Edited my orig post.  I have 'Conti healthy admiration kind of envy' after taking that machine in.  You did a spectacular job on that machine -- pulling it out of a barn!

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How many more shots did you pull after you got home?

None.  I was 'spro'ed' out.  At my age, I realize all good things are marathons and sprints are best left to phone companies.

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Thank you to Dave and Bill ...

Poor Bill.  He realizes that he is teetering on the edge of another hole and he was looking for me to pull him away from the edge.  Good luck with that.  Thank you Mike for your willingness to share your knowledge with me all along the steps of the rebuild.  I learned a ton and loved the ride.  It continues.

B|Java
Title: Re: '82 Olympia Cremina Lever...
Post by: BoldJava on May 28, 2011, 04:18:24 AM
Small footprint.  I forgot to add how small the unit is.  I like that it doesn't 'take over' a shelf or counter.  11.5x10.5x7.5. It weighs 18 lbs, empty (models from 2002 and more recent weigh 24 lbs - larger boiler and frame).

Pull it out to make a spro.  When finished, slides right back if you are a humble Midwesterner and don't want to over-do the bling for visitors.
Title: Re: '82 Olympia Cremina Lever...
Post by: mp on May 28, 2011, 05:14:36 AM
Very nice setup B|Lever!

Do enjoy your journey.  I do look forward to recounts of your adventure along the way.

 :)
Title: Re: '82 Olympia Cremina Lever...
Post by: farmroast on May 28, 2011, 06:19:51 AM
Homecoming day,Congrats BlLever
The thing that  will frustrate you at the start is all the  ??? variability the Cremina offers. Later, the thing you will love about the Cremina is all the  8) variability it offers.
Title: Re: '82 Olympia Cremina Lever...
Post by: BoldJava on May 28, 2011, 06:37:45 AM
Learning as I go.

Bill and I were discussing pstats on levers on the way home last evening.  I asked aloud about safety valves as it seemed logical that if a pstat failed, you would want a safety valve so the little boiler didn't go boom.  Here it is:

Title: Re: '82 Olympia Cremina Lever...
Post by: BoldJava on May 28, 2011, 06:42:54 AM
Simplicity is the name of the game. It took me two minutes to disassemble the Cremina and find the safety valve.  Talk about cake-walks:

Take off the boiler cap - I believe I have read that is a British standard pipe thread.  As well, I think the vertical slit is so that it bleeds off incrementally in case you are half-asleep and try and take the cap off under pressure.  Not to worry - Warrior showed me how to bleed steam off appropriately.
Title: Re: '82 Olympia Cremina Lever...
Post by: BoldJava on May 28, 2011, 06:46:27 AM
Unscrew the retaining nut.  Only needs to be hand-tight.  I can see where some former owner went at it with a wrench.  No need for that amount of torque (word of the day).  And yes, that is the sheen it throws...
Title: Re: '82 Olympia Cremina Lever...
Post by: BoldJava on May 28, 2011, 06:47:28 AM
Take off stainless steel ring:
Title: Re: '82 Olympia Cremina Lever...
Post by: BoldJava on May 28, 2011, 06:49:04 AM
Life off the top plate
Title: Re: '82 Olympia Cremina Lever...
Post by: BoldJava on May 28, 2011, 06:50:21 AM
and finally, the framing shell lifts right off.  Very heavy gauge stainless <?> steel.  2 minutes, voila.
Title: Re: '82 Olympia Cremina Lever...
Post by: BoldJava on May 28, 2011, 06:52:40 AM
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The thing that  will frustrate you at the start is all the  ??? variability the Cremina offers. Later, the thing you will love about the Cremina is all the  8) variability it offers.

On the second pull, I immediately sensed exactly those two points.  Learn hard; love hard.

Title: Re: '82 Olympia Cremina Lever...
Post by: BoldJava on May 28, 2011, 06:59:24 AM
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Last night was a brief try-out and self-intro to the Tin Man....

Let me know how easily that thermometer comes off the grouphead.  I snagged one from Orphan but hesitate to put it on my Cremina.  Don't want that permanently interfering with her outer radiance on a permanent basis.  I am going to use the steam wand manostat that Warrior rigged to learn the shot by pressure rather than temp for now.  The fabric'ed silicone tubing from our mechanic worked perfectly on the steam wand, just a dab of Dow 111 (food safe).  Wiped right off with cotton cloth.

B|Java
Title: Re: '82 Olympia Cremina Lever...
Post by: BoldJava on May 28, 2011, 07:14:13 AM
Been a rash of Creminas come up for sale on eBay recently.  The former owner of this '89 should be tarred and feathered for spray painting the front plate stainless steel a matte black finish.

That hurts.
Title: Re: '82 Olympia Cremina Lever...
Post by: Warrior372 on May 28, 2011, 07:46:22 AM
Warrior didn't think we would show...traffic slowed us down.

How many espresso shots had he drunk while waiting for you?  He looks wired for sound!

Haha. I had actually just gotten out of class and arrived home. That reaction was to how hard Dave had tamped for the first shot. He asked me to pull the first one, so I agreed at which point I turned round and saw him leaning all of his weight into the basket. This picture caught my reaction as I thought he was either trying to kill me or blow up his new machine. Either way he saw how hard you have to pull to back yourself out of the grind to fine tamp to hard corner :) .
Title: Re: '82 Olympia Cremina Lever...
Post by: Warrior372 on May 28, 2011, 07:59:04 AM
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Last night was a brief try-out and self-intro to the Tin Man....

Let me know how easily that thermometer comes off the grouphead.  I snagged one from Orphan but hesitate to put it on my Cremina.  Don't want that permanently interfering with her outer radiance on a permanent basis.  I am going to use the steam wand manostat that Warrior rigged to learn the shot by pressure rather than temp for now.  The fabric'ed silicone tubing from our mechanic worked perfectly on the steam wand, just a dab of Dow 111 (food safe).  Wiped right off with cotton cloth.

B|Java

I don't think I'll be pulling off the themometer strip anytime soon.  I had bought one previously for a friend with a La Pavoni Romatica with one of my OE orders, I think they're supposed to come off clean, but can't say for sure.

I'm wondering if I need a steam wand gauge to check the built-in pressure gauge.  Do you have a parts list for the one you made?

Dow 111 is great.  I think we even stock this at work for RF connectors and O-rings.

It consisted of two brass plumbing fittings from your local hardware store, a pressure gauge and a few inch long piece of 1/4" braided silicone car hose (might be radiator hose. . . Dave got the hose he knows more about it than I. He can also tell you the optimal length for the hose, as it was a little long when he was at my hose. Maybe 3" range.). The two fittings needed are: 1) a 1/4" female to 1/4" female 90 degree coupler and 2) a 1/4" female to 1/4" barbed coupler. Screw those two pieces together as tightly as you can with a wrench, screw the pressure gauge into the open 1/4" female opening on the 90 degree coupler and tighten it with a wrench, then slide your 1/4" hose onto your 1/4" barb and you are all set!

All of the above should work if your steam wand / head of your steam wand are comparable in size to the cremina.

Cool looking setup! You and B|Java can trade manual profiling tips as you learn.
Title: Re: '82 Olympia Cremina Lever...
Post by: BoldJava on May 28, 2011, 08:34:28 AM
1st shot in Lake Cheddar.  14.3 grams, 22 seconds.  Don't know the glass yet -- guessing 1.5 oz. Used more arm torque than last night. Had more crema but forgot the camera -- I quickly ran, grabbed it, and managed to capture some of it.

I made a 2nd one for the Czarina, her standard capp-latt.  "It's gooooood.  It tastes like it has sugar in it."  Red Bird.

I
am
thrilled.

B|Java
Title: Re: '82 Olympia Cremina Lever...
Post by: milowebailey on May 28, 2011, 08:37:20 AM
Small footprint.  I forgot to add how small the unit is.  I like that it doesn't 'take over' a shelf or counter.  11.5x10.5x7.5. It weighs 18 lbs, empty (models from 2002 and more recent weigh 24 lbs - larger boiler and frame).

Pull it out to make a spro.  When finished, slides right back if you are a humble Midwesterner and don't want to over-do the bling for visitors.
B|Gadget

What's the next toy?  A Clover?
Title: Re: '82 Olympia Cremina Lever...
Post by: BoldJava on May 28, 2011, 08:46:24 AM

...Dow 111 is great.  I think we even stock this at work for RF connectors and O-rings.


I only need the lube to get the tubing over the steaming wand.  If you go the wand route and want it off the shelf, OE has it as about as cheaply as you will find:  http://www.orphanespresso.com/Steam-Wand-Pressure-Test-Gauge_p_2033.html (http://www.orphanespresso.com/Steam-Wand-Pressure-Test-Gauge_p_2033.html)

OE claims older manostats that are built in become inaccurate over time.

Title: Re: '82 Olympia Cremina Lever...
Post by: milowebailey on May 28, 2011, 08:49:40 AM


I only need the lube to get the tubing over the steaming wand. 


liquid dish soap will do that job.
Title: Re: '82 Olympia Cremina Lever...
Post by: BoldJava on May 28, 2011, 08:51:43 AM
>>>...dish soap...>>>

That saves a couple of bucks.  Thx.  Just have to remember to wipe it down well.
Title: Re: '82 Olympia Cremina Lever...
Post by: milowebailey on May 28, 2011, 08:54:05 AM
>>>...dish soap...>>>

That saves a couple of bucks.  Thx.  Just have to remember to wipe it down well.
Even try to put a few drops in some water.... dip in the tubing and slide it on.... then rinse...
Title: Re: '82 Olympia Cremina Lever...
Post by: Warrior372 on May 28, 2011, 10:18:22 AM
The soap could be really entertaining too. Lather the steam wand up and then turn it on to see if / for how long it will blow bubbles :) .
Title: Re: '82 Olympia Cremina Lever...
Post by: staylor on May 30, 2011, 07:28:20 AM
Just coming back to the land of coffee after a long weekend in Spokane. Welcome to the Land of Levers, B|Cremina. Though I'm a relative lever noob myself I've pulled enough to know you are going to love leverdom.

Who's the next to fall for the lever's siren call?
Title: Re: '82 Olympia Cremina Lever...
Post by: mp on May 30, 2011, 07:36:25 AM
I have no interest in this thread ... I have no interest in this thread ... I have no interest in this thread ... I have no interest in this thread!

 ;D
Title: Re: '82 Olympia Cremina Lever...
Post by: BoldJava on May 30, 2011, 08:00:24 AM
...

Who's the next to fall for the lever's siren call?

Interesting.  I don't think I could have started with a lever.  The Silvia and then Milo's add-on PID were the steps I needed along the way.

What grabs me about the Cremina/lever in general:
^  Hands-on.  Your call of "at one with the machine."  I know it is a bit tongue in cheek while at the same time meaning the zen of if.  Being tactile, I just love it.
^  Craftsmanship.  I have a pocket watch.  I use my Grandmother's fountain pen.  Now I have a Swiss-made espresso machine that invites me to join in the process.
^  No pump.  Nothing like a drip, drip, drip from the porta-filter at 6.30 a.m. without that pump going <garuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuump...>
^  Lots to grow into.  Learning right torque.  Steaming will be a whole 'nother challenge.  John has nothing to worry about.  In reading, lots of guys toothpick mod the Cremina's wand.  Calm it down.  Like putting a governor on a '57 Chevy.  No.

Jump in.  Plenty of room in leverland.

B|Java
Title: Re: '82 Olympia Cremina Lever...
Post by: BoldJava on May 30, 2011, 03:05:27 PM
The Cremina has the stubbiest PF out there, 6.5."  Since I work with a doserless MACAP, I grabbed this deep funnel from Orphan Espresso.  The depth from the top of funnel to the bottom of the basket is 2.5."  Grab a dissecting need and distribute.
Title: Re: '82 Olympia Cremina Lever...
Post by: BoldJava on May 30, 2011, 03:07:04 PM
Two baskets work in the PF.  One on the left is the Cremina.  On the right is an Elektra MCAL basket, both 49 mm.  I am using the Cremina basket and just sticking with it.  Keep the variables to a minimum.
Title: Re: '82 Olympia Cremina Lever...
Post by: peter on May 30, 2011, 05:50:40 PM
The Olympia genes in the basket, being homogeneous with the rest of the machine will produce a more betterer shot.

Glad the purchase is already paying big dividends tangible and otherwise.
Title: Re: '82 Olympia Cremina Lever...
Post by: J.Jirehs Roaster on May 30, 2011, 06:29:18 PM
Just coming back to the land of coffee after a long weekend in Spokane. Welcome to the Land of Levers, B|Cremina. Though I'm a relative lever noob myself I've pulled enough to know you are going to love leverdom.

Who's the next to fall for the lever's siren call?


my budget is my salvation in this case

www.youtube.com/watch?v=W0DlW2Hbyew (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W0DlW2Hbyew#)
Title: Re: '82 Olympia Cremina Lever...
Post by: Tex on May 30, 2011, 06:41:33 PM
Just coming back to the land of coffee after a long weekend in Spokane. Welcome to the Land of Levers, B|Cremina. Though I'm a relative lever noob myself I've pulled enough to know you are going to love leverdom.

Who's the next to fall for the lever's siren call?


my budget is my salvation in this case

[url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W0DlW2Hbyew]www.youtube.com/watch?v=W0DlW2Hbyew[/url] ([url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W0DlW2Hbyew#[/url])


One of my all-time favs! How can you go wrong with that or "Down in the River to Pray" or "Constant Sorrow"?
Title: Re: '82 Olympia Cremina Lever...
Post by: simmich on May 30, 2011, 07:18:42 PM
Welcome to "Leverland" Dave...  ;D

You may wanna think about getting a bottomless portafilter. Mssr Penny who made these beauties
for Orphan has a Cremina as well. Pulling bottomless will teach you a lot about dosing,leveling,and tamping. My son recently gifted me one for my birthday that truly rocked my world...

Title: Re: '82 Olympia Cremina Lever...
Post by: staylor on May 30, 2011, 07:50:08 PM
Welcome to "Leverland" Dave...  ;D

You may wanna think about getting a bottomless portafilter. Mssr Penny who made these beauties
for Orphan has a Cremina as well. Pulling bottomless will teach you a lot about dosing,leveling,and tamping. My son recently gifted me one for my birthday that truly rocked my world...



Totally agree on the bottomless for the lever.
Title: Re: '82 Olympia Cremina Lever...
Post by: Tex on May 30, 2011, 08:09:49 PM
Welcome to "Leverland" Dave...  ;D

You may wanna think about getting a bottomless portafilter. Mssr Penny who made these beauties
for Orphan has a Cremina as well. Pulling bottomless will teach you a lot about dosing,leveling,and tamping. My son recently gifted me one for my birthday that truly rocked my world...



Definite +1!

You think your dosing is fine until you go naked, then all your shortcomings are exposed. >:D

Title: Re: '82 Olympia Cremina Lever...
Post by: Warrior372 on May 30, 2011, 08:26:03 PM
He does have a stainless steel bottomless PF. I believe it is with Dave Stephens at the moment getting fitted with custom wood.
Title: Re: '82 Olympia Cremina Lever...
Post by: peter on May 30, 2011, 08:32:44 PM
He does have a stainless steel bottomless PF. I believe it is with Dave Stephens at the moment getting fitted with custom wood.

That sounds like cannon fodder if you ask me, Warrior.   ;)
Title: Re: '82 Olympia Cremina Lever...
Post by: Warrior372 on May 30, 2011, 09:04:41 PM
I can not wait to see the machine with the custom wood pieces on it. It will look pretty slick!
Title: Re: '82 Olympia Cremina Lever...
Post by: BoldJava on May 31, 2011, 03:17:11 AM
He does have a stainless steel bottomless PF. I believe it is with Dave Stephens at the moment getting fitted with custom wood.


A-up, that's correct.  Cocobolo handle for the naked PF, tamper, steam knob, lever, and boiler cap.  Wood reigns.

B|Java

Sample on Cannonfodder's Tin Man:

(http://www.home-barista.com/forums/img/i7-photobucket-com-albums-y297-cannonfodderphoto-hb-20photos-handelcloseup.jpg)
Title: Re: '82 Olympia Cremina Lever...
Post by: doubleosoul on May 31, 2011, 05:56:57 AM
I have no interest in this thread ... I have no interest in this thread ... I have no interest in this thread ... I have no interest in this thread!

 ;D


Ha ha ha...
+1
Title: Re: '82 Olympia Cremina Lever...
Post by: doubleosoul on May 31, 2011, 06:01:20 AM
Been a rash of Creminas come up for sale on eBay recently.  The former owner of this '89 should be tarred and feathered for spray painting the front plate stainless steel a matte black finish.

That hurts.
I've been watching them too. Good to see one from the group rescued one. I rescued an Elektra Mcal from a hillybilly last week (wrote about it on HB).
Title: Re: '82 Olympia Cremina Lever...
Post by: BoldJava on May 31, 2011, 02:41:41 PM
I can not wait to see the machine with the custom wood pieces on it. It will look pretty slick!

The email I just received says,

>>>
"It is that time. . . You wanted a lever handle, a stock portafilter handle... Everything in cocobolo. You wanted to keep to the stock Oly handle shape...

If I have it correct, let me know.  Then I can make sawdust..."
>>>

B|Java
-----

"Cocobolo wit' 'da mo-jo.  No dread, no mo.' "
Saying often attributed to Bob Marley
Title: Re: '82 Olympia Cremina Lever...
Post by: Warrior372 on May 31, 2011, 03:20:09 PM
Excellent!
Title: Re: '82 Olympia Cremina Lever...
Post by: peter on May 31, 2011, 03:34:21 PM
Newman, Excellent (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0pypuuImw1U#)
Title: Re: '82 Olympia Cremina Lever...
Post by: BoldJava on June 01, 2011, 03:28:34 AM
Jeff, Peter, and I were talking about the hydraulic workings of a lever.  On a European website, I found a pdf that really helped me understand just how it works on the Cremina.  The lights went on for me.

B|Java
Title: Re: '82 Olympia Cremina Lever...
Post by: milowebailey on June 01, 2011, 06:19:09 AM
B|Lever

I think I found a better diagram with the correct modifications for you.
Title: Re: '82 Olympia Cremina Lever...
Post by: Warrior372 on June 01, 2011, 08:51:25 AM
I was on my way to the library and decided to take a new route. As I was driving I ran into a hardwood store and just had to stop in to check it out. The place had more exotic hardwoods than any store I have ever been in to date. They easily had 60+ types of wood. They also had blanks that would be perfect for portafilter handles, knobs, tamper handles, etc. I think the small blanks are just random cleaned up remnants of larger pieces they cut, so it could be a very inconsistent selection. Needless to say, I am now at the library, and have been for about an hour. I have yet to study for school, but I do have a large stack of books on woodturning :) . I might be 'passively' perusing craigslist for a good deal on a small lather and then some nice chisels.
Title: Re: '82 Olympia Cremina Lever...
Post by: staylor on June 01, 2011, 09:13:36 AM
Lever espresso machines - creating rabbit holes since 1945.
Title: Re: '82 Olympia Cremina Lever...
Post by: peter on June 01, 2011, 09:19:19 AM
Lever espresso machines - creating rabbit holes since 1945.

Who will be the next one to swallow the blue pill?
Title: Re: '82 Olympia Cremina Lever...
Post by: staylor on June 01, 2011, 09:22:01 AM
Lever espresso machines - creating rabbit holes since 1945.

Who will be the next one to swallow the blue pill?

I think John rummages through his pill cabinet on a daily basis looking for that blue pill.
Title: Re: '82 Olympia Cremina Lever...
Post by: mp on June 01, 2011, 09:31:23 AM
Lever espresso machines - creating rabbit holes since 1945.

Who will be the next one to swallow the blue pill?

I think John rummages through his pill cabinet on a daily basis looking for that blue pill.

There must be someone here who can send John the pill that he needs.

 ;D
Title: Re: '82 Olympia Cremina Lever...
Post by: John F on June 01, 2011, 09:39:25 AM
I think John rummages through his pill cabinet on a daily basis looking for that blue pill.

If I told you what I've been researching the last 2 hours you would not believe me.  ;)

What I'm able to confirm at this time is that the wife is on board (finally after some less fun purchases) with new machine being the next major purchase... lights are greening up.

Title: Re: '82 Olympia Cremina Lever...
Post by: staylor on June 01, 2011, 09:51:15 AM
Thunderbirds Are Go!!! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2K9rVRuehGU#)
Title: Re: '82 Olympia Cremina Lever...
Post by: mp on June 01, 2011, 12:23:15 PM
What I'm able to confirm at this time is that the wife is on board (finally after some less fun purchases) with new machine being the next major purchase... lights are greening up.

 :occasion14: :occasion14: :occasion14: :occasion14: :occasion14: :occasion14:

 :wav: :wav: :wav:

 :occasion14: :occasion14: :occasion14: :occasion14: :occasion14: :occasion14:
Title: Re: '82 Olympia Cremina Lever...
Post by: milowebailey on June 01, 2011, 01:42:42 PM


If I told you what I've been researching the last 2 hours you would not believe me.  ;)

What I'm able to confirm at this time is that the wife is on board (finally after some less fun purchases) with new machine being the next major purchase... lights are greening up.


A new, new machine or a new, old machine?  Lever?
Title: Re: '82 Olympia Cremina Lever...
Post by: Tex on June 01, 2011, 01:51:07 PM


If I told you what I've been researching the last 2 hours you would not believe me.  ;)

What I'm able to confirm at this time is that the wife is on board (finally after some less fun purchases) with new machine being the next major purchase... lights are greening up.



A new, new machine or a new, old machine?  Lever?


Is it a simple lever machine or complex?
The Lever, a Simple Machine (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Us2KfO_yrPA#)
Title: Re: '82 Olympia Cremina Lever...
Post by: John F on June 01, 2011, 03:37:47 PM
A new, new machine or a new, old machine?  Lever?

Well.... it's been an all over the map day.

For a couple hours I just about had myself convinced to give up on the lever machines entirely and was looking back at double boilers.

A few emails off line with Mr. Taylor and I think I'm back to a lever.

For the price I'm trying to figure out if there is a better deal than a new PVL single group from 1st line. It's starting to shape up to be the best bang in this category from what I can tell. My thinking is that either a second portafilter or at least basket will allow for very quick back to back shots and maybe the second group isn't needed for my situation. This puts a brand new lever machine on my counter for 1K.

The export only saves $150.. Would I regret going smaller over $150?

I'm not sure paying for shipping from Italy but taking off 20% VAT saves anything after converting to Euros and so on..

I'm not sure that rebuilding something vintage is the best option for me either...I've got no brand allegiance or even any strong opinions so there is no strong allure of owning an "xyz" so if the price to restore comes too close to new...  :-\

I don't really want a big commercial machine...

So while I was looking at comparisons of double boilers and admiring the Salvatore hand craftsmanship sitting here right now It's looking like the PVL is going to be difficult not to aim at when the trigger finger actually starts squeezing.


Title: Re: '82 Olympia Cremina Lever...
Post by: peter on June 01, 2011, 03:41:56 PM
A new Cremina, amortized over its life, will be more cost effective than anything.   :angel:
Title: Re: '82 Olympia Cremina Lever...
Post by: John F on June 01, 2011, 03:43:24 PM
A new Cremina, amortized over its life, will be more cost effective than anything.   :angel:

Pthffffff!

Crazy talk.
Title: Re: '82 Olympia Cremina Lever...
Post by: BoldJava on June 01, 2011, 03:47:28 PM
...
So while I was looking at comparisons of double boilers and admiring the Salvatore hand craftsmanship sitting here right now It's looking like the PVL is going to be difficult not to aim at when the trigger finger actually starts squeezing.


Good choice. That is right where I was going until Mike's Cremina rose from the ashes.

Grab a second PF and basket, if needed, but I think your concern over shot size will moderate once you tuck your lips around that first nailed shot.

Pull.
Title: Re: '82 Olympia Cremina Lever...
Post by: John F on June 01, 2011, 04:30:06 PM

Pull.

I'm just about satisfied that I'll avert the "you got the wrong tv sillyhead" syndrome.

But I don't have all the cash set aside just yet  I did however make a brilliant move on getting this item on the last purchase agenda list. There is a new list in place already but the machine (that somehow obtained the lowest priority for purchase)  :icon_scratch: must be procured before the new list comes up for purchasing.

It's getting real.  8)

Title: Re: '82 Olympia Cremina Lever...
Post by: Warrior372 on June 01, 2011, 06:14:21 PM
If you do go with a PVL think about this too. The 1 and 2 group machines have an identical footprint, so they will both take up the same amount of counter space. At 1st-line a Black 1-group PVL is $969.00 and a Black 2-group is $1,229. If you go on Orphanespresso a second portafilter with a handle costs $82.50 and a PF Basket costs $18.50 for a total of $101. So, with this setup a 1-group will cost $1,070 with the 2-group still at $1,229, so the second group is costing an additional $160.
Title: Re: '82 Olympia Cremina Lever...
Post by: John F on June 01, 2011, 06:21:02 PM
At 1st-line a Black 1-group PVL is $969.00

Back order....

But I have no idea how often they restock.

I've seen pictures of red ones, white... But I don't know who sells those colors.
Title: Re: '82 Olympia Cremina Lever...
Post by: Tex on June 01, 2011, 06:31:47 PM
If you do go with a PVL think about this too. The 1 and 2 group machines have an identical footprint, so they will both take up the same amount of counter space. At 1st-line a Black 1-group PVL is $969.00 and a Black 2-group is $1,229. If you go on Orphanespresso a second portafilter with a handle costs $82.50 and a PF Basket costs $18.50 for a total of $101. So, with this setup a 1-group will cost $1,070 with the 2-group still at $1,229, so the second group is costing an additional $160.

Excellent point - assuming someone would want both a bottomless & regular PF. Are they available already cut?
Title: Re: '82 Olympia Cremina Lever...
Post by: BoldJava on June 01, 2011, 06:36:04 PM
At 1st-line a Black 1-group PVL is $969.00

Back order....

You are back to Europe with Shaun.  I believe 1st-Line told me November.  They were quite ... non-chalant <being generous>... about it.  OnWineTime lists it but they are out of stock as well.
Title: Re: '82 Olympia Cremina Lever...
Post by: John F on June 01, 2011, 06:43:13 PM

You are back to Europe with Shaun.


This place?

http://www.espressocoffeeshop.com/store/pontevecchio_lusso_red.html (http://www.espressocoffeeshop.com/store/pontevecchio_lusso_red.html)
Title: Re: '82 Olympia Cremina Lever...
Post by: Warrior372 on June 01, 2011, 06:47:18 PM
If you do go with a PVL think about this too. The 1 and 2 group machines have an identical footprint, so they will both take up the same amount of counter space. At 1st-line a Black 1-group PVL is $969.00 and a Black 2-group is $1,229. If you go on Orphanespresso a second portafilter with a handle costs $82.50 and a PF Basket costs $18.50 for a total of $101. So, with this setup a 1-group will cost $1,070 with the 2-group still at $1,229, so the second group is costing an additional $160.

Excellent point - assuming someone would want both a bottomless & regular PF. Are they available already cut?

Yes. A bottomless one on OE is $95.
Title: Re: '82 Olympia Cremina Lever...
Post by: BoldJava on June 01, 2011, 06:57:20 PM

You are back to Europe with Shaun.


This place?

[url]http://www.espressocoffeeshop.com/store/pontevecchio_lusso_red.html[/url] ([url]http://www.espressocoffeeshop.com/store/pontevecchio_lusso_red.html[/url])


Shaun can confirm but I believe he ordered directly from Italy.
Title: Re: '82 Olympia Cremina Lever...
Post by: John F on June 01, 2011, 07:02:27 PM

Shaun can confirm but I believe he ordered directly from Italy.

That place is in Italy.

By the time you subtract the VAT but pay shipping  and convert to Euros I think it's the same price as 1st line.

But it's red!  8)
Title: Re: '82 Olympia Cremina Lever...
Post by: BoldJava on June 01, 2011, 07:10:21 PM
$1191 shipped to NAmer, chrome or red.

No black <sad face, very sad face> (http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2165/5714579176_bf3fc0a927_z.jpg)
Title: Re: '82 Olympia Cremina Lever...
Post by: mp on June 01, 2011, 07:29:35 PM

Shaun can confirm but I believe he ordered directly from Italy.

That place is in Italy.

By the time you subtract the VAT but pay shipping  and convert to Euros I think it's the same price as 1st line.

But it's red!  8)

Yes ... but you can ask for a deep discount coupon.

The other benefit is that it is not listed to be out of stock.

 :)
Title: Re: '82 Olympia Cremina Lever...
Post by: BoldJava on June 01, 2011, 07:33:37 PM
...


Yes ... but you can ask for a deep discount coupon.

...

I sent John the coupon link.
Title: Re: '82 Olympia Cremina Lever...
Post by: J.Jirehs Roaster on June 02, 2011, 05:56:34 PM
$1191 shipped to NAmer, chrome or red.

No black <sad face, very sad face> ([url]http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2165/5714579176_bf3fc0a927_z.jpg[/url])



Warrior found a good powder coat man that can fix that
Title: Re: '82 Olympia Cremina Lever...
Post by: Warrior372 on June 02, 2011, 06:01:40 PM
Yea. For $50 you can have it in whatever color you want!
Title: Re: '82 Olympia Cremina Lever...
Post by: BoldJava on June 11, 2011, 09:19:15 AM
"Gesundheit," the Czarina exclaimed as she heard the Swiss Miss offer her first sneeze this morning.

(http://www.thereeltodd.com/img44x0123/achoo01_520x390.gif)

I thought I had the PF locked and loaded.  Well, I was wrong.  Didn't have it sinched up quite tightly enough and I had coffee grounds everywhere.  I am sure it won't be the last.

Though I have a ton to learn on the Cremina, it certainly is forgiving (as is the Red Bird espresso blend).  I think I have a total of about 4 sink shots along the path.  I have been sipping all my shots so that I can learn as I go.

B|java
Title: Re: '82 Olympia Cremina Lever...
Post by: mp on June 11, 2011, 10:28:38 AM
Always nice to have a forgiving machine. 

Most shots are good shots.

 :)
Title: Re: '82 Olympia Cremina Lever...
Post by: Warrior372 on June 11, 2011, 10:40:38 PM
Did you break a glass in the process? I did that on my Elektra MCaL and man did it scare me! I had glass and coffee everywhere.
Title: Re: '82 Olympia Cremina Lever...
Post by: BoldJava on June 12, 2011, 06:02:50 AM
Did you break a glass in the process? I did that on my Elektra MCaL and man did it scare me! I had glass and coffee everywhere.

No, I did that instead with the upper dome on an 8-cup Yama vacpot two weeks ago.  The Swiss Miss gets handled much better.

B|Java
Title: Re: '82 Olympia Cremina Lever...
Post by: BoldJava on June 20, 2011, 06:37:16 PM
Note from woodworker, Cannonfodder:

"Let me know about the boiler cap shape preference and we will get it all wrapped up..."  Creminas have had pentagon stars, hexagon stars, and triangular forms.  Mine is triangular.

Getting closer.  B|Java



Title: Re: '82 Olympia Cremina Lever...
Post by: Warrior372 on June 22, 2011, 04:56:21 AM
Note from woodworker, Cannonfodder:

"Let me know about the boiler cap shape preference and we will get it all wrapped up..."  Creminas have had pentagon stars, hexagon stars, and triangular forms.  Mine is triangular.

Getting closer.  B|Java





The machine I sold you had the 5 or 6 nubs on it. . . . It did not have the triangle top.
Title: Re: '82 Olympia Cremina Lever...
Post by: BoldJava on June 22, 2011, 05:05:38 AM
...
The machine I sold you had the 5 or 6 nubs on it. . . . It did not have the triangle top.

Ehhhnnn. <buzzer sound>

It is triangular.
Title: Re: '82 Olympia Cremina Lever...
Post by: BoldJava on June 22, 2011, 06:31:49 AM
This is the tamper top (goes into a Reg Barber base).  

Note: This is not finished.  This is merely turned and sanded, no more.  Love the grain. Cocobolo wood is purple right after turning.  This will take on a red hue in 48 hrs.  

B|Java
Title: Re: '82 Olympia Cremina Lever...
Post by: mp on June 22, 2011, 06:39:21 AM
Looking good B|TamperTop.

 :)
Title: Re: '82 Olympia Cremina Lever...
Post by: Warrior372 on June 22, 2011, 06:57:25 AM
...
The machine I sold you had the 5 or 6 nubs on it. . . . It did not have the triangle top.

Ehhhnnn. <buzzer sound>

It is triangular.

Actual I should have gotten a ding for being right, not a buzz for being wrong . . .  Unless you traded it with someone for their top it has 6 nubs. Picture, post rebuild below and a better picture pre-rebuild :) . With that said, the wood one can be whatever you want. I just read your post about the triangle and was thrown off, so I looked.

I cannot wait to see the machine with wood on it, triangular or 6 nub top.
Title: Re: '82 Olympia Cremina Lever...
Post by: BoldJava on June 22, 2011, 07:11:50 AM
...

Actually I should have gotten a ding for being right, not a buzz for being wrong . . .

I cannot wait to see the machine with wood on it, triangular or 6 nub top.

Ding, ding, ding.

What a hoot.  I have been working from memory as I am on the road up north.  I would have bet you my next paycheck it was triangular.  As it works out, Cannonfodder suggests that the triangular shape which I had etched in my memory will tolerate the heat better anyways.

See how things work out when you permit it?

B|Java
Title: Re: '82 Olympia Cremina Lever...
Post by: Tex on June 22, 2011, 07:25:30 AM
...

Actually I should have gotten a ding for being right, not a buzz for being wrong . . .

I cannot wait to see the machine with wood on it, triangular or 6 nub top.

Ding, ding, ding.

What a hoot.  I have been working from memory as I am on the road up north.  I would have bet you my next paycheck it was triangular.  As it works out, Cannonfodder suggests that the triangular shape which I had etched in my memory will tolerate the heat better anyways.

See how things work out when you permit it?

B|Java

Just proves that fantasy is better than reality for some folks. :P

Title: Re: '82 Olympia Cremina Lever...
Post by: mp on June 22, 2011, 07:32:10 AM
...

Actually I should have gotten a ding for being right, not a buzz for being wrong . . .

I cannot wait to see the machine with wood on it, triangular or 6 nub top.

Ding, ding, ding.

What a hoot.  I have been working from memory as I am on the road up north.  I would have bet you my next paycheck it was triangular.  As it works out, Cannonfodder suggests that the triangular shape which I had etched in my memory will tolerate the heat better anyways.

See how things work out when you permit it?

B|Java

Just proves that fantasy is better than reality for some folks. :P

 :o
Title: Re: '82 Olympia Cremina Lever...
Post by: Tex on June 22, 2011, 07:37:32 AM
...

Actually I should have gotten a ding for being right, not a buzz for being wrong . . .

I cannot wait to see the machine with wood on it, triangular or 6 nub top.

Ding, ding, ding.

What a hoot.  I have been working from memory as I am on the road up north.  I would have bet you my next paycheck it was triangular.  As it works out, Cannonfodder suggests that the triangular shape which I had etched in my memory will tolerate the heat better anyways.

See how things work out when you permit it?

B|Java

Just proves that fantasy is better than reality for some folks. :P

 :o

Hey, I speak from experience; you should've seen Mrs T2. She was a doll to look at but had the heart of an assassin. Hell, even her dog kept trying to run away after she had his balls cut off. When I felt she was trying to do the same to me I hightailed it out of there! :o

Title: Re: '82 Olympia Cremina Lever...
Post by: BoldJava on June 30, 2011, 04:29:08 PM
L-R

Boiler cap, xtra PF, Steam Knob, Lever Handle, Tamper, and PF, all from the same morphing grained piece of cocobolo

Zowie...


B|Java
Title: Re: '82 Olympia Cremina Lever...
Post by: staylor on June 30, 2011, 04:35:48 PM
Wow, sharp looking!

But where's the espresso?
Title: Re: '82 Olympia Cremina Lever...
Post by: Warrior372 on June 30, 2011, 04:42:36 PM
Put them on the machine already . . . Come on :) .
Title: Re: '82 Olympia Cremina Lever...
Post by: BoldJava on June 30, 2011, 04:59:48 PM
...

But where's the espresso?


'Da wood be in Pennsyvane, 'mon.  Patient. We be jammin' soon denuff.

Bob Marley Jammin (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oFRbZJXjWIA#)
Title: Re: '82 Olympia Cremina Lever...
Post by: BoldJava on June 30, 2011, 05:06:38 PM
RE:  Grain.  "All in cocobolo, it was an interesting piece of wood. The grain changed dramaticly from one end of the stock to the other. You can see how the grain transitioned from piece to piece."  Cannonfodder.
Title: Re: '82 Olympia Cremina Lever...
Post by: Warrior372 on June 30, 2011, 06:37:33 PM
The reddish color is going to look awesome against the black and chrome!
Title: Re: '82 Olympia Cremina Lever...
Post by: doubleosoul on July 01, 2011, 11:05:20 AM
L-R

Boiler cap, xtra PF, Steam Knob, Lever Handle, Tamper, and PF, all from the same morphing grained piece of cocobolo

Zowie...


B|Java

Just stunning! I saw those over at HB. I've tried to enlist a few fellas up here in B.C. for handle projects and nobody is inclined. I'm gonna have to get Cannonfodder on the job too. I have a few machines I want outfitted with Cocobolo handles.

OO :icon_rr:
Title: Re: '82 Olympia Cremina Lever...
Post by: BoldJava on July 02, 2011, 10:21:48 AM
After a month:

Surprises:
` The Cremina is much more forgiving than I ever anticipated.  I think I have had 3 sink shots in the short time I have been learning.
` The Cremina is giving good shots, even as I very slowly ascend the learning curves.  Some slips, some gains.  Stellar shots loom far on the horizon but that is what we walk towards.
` The 1.25-1.5 oz shot is fine.  Always worked with 17-18 grams with the Silvia.  I am working with 14 grams with the Swiss Miss.  Like John, I was concerned about smaller volume.  It has become a non-issue for me.
` Tamping - Having watched Peter and Shaun tamp, I am less convinced that 30# turns water into wine.  I have moved away from pressure and am focusing on distribution.  I tamp with my thumbs pressing on the lever cylinder, working for tamper (puck) evenness.  I bet I am not using more than 8-10#s.

Perplexities:
`  The milk.  I have nailed a tight micro-foam one time.  I haven't a clue what I did differently.  Other milks have been bubble city to steamed milk without froth.  Long way to climb.  Will practice with water and soap sometime.


The weekend ritual is a vacpot for a dawn greeter, followed by a macchiato after breakfast.  After a bit, I prepare a "Gibraltar" (hate to see what Milo does with that).  1.5 oz shot with a 2 oz froth in a Bodum boroscilate tulip cup.  Delicious and every bit as good as the macchiato that Alterra prepped on a 3 group Zocca with the same coffee this week.

Czarina asked me, "Are you satisfied with your purchase?"  

"Couldn't be more pleased," as I sipped away.  It's everything I wanted and more.  Come quickly, Postal Peeps.

B|Java

(http://www.jlhufford.com/images/bodum-assam-espresso.jpg)

http://www.jlhufford.com/images/bodum-assam-espresso.jpg (http://www.jlhufford.com/images/bodum-assam-espresso.jpg)
Title: Re: '82 Olympia Cremina Lever...
Post by: peter on July 02, 2011, 11:54:41 AM
I, for one (as your friend), am deeeeeeelighted that you've found your espresso soul-mate in the Swiss Miss.  Deeeeeeeelighted!
Title: Re: '82 Olympia Cremina Lever...
Post by: milowebailey on July 02, 2011, 12:58:04 PM
After a month:

Surprises:
` The Cremina is much more forgiving than I ever anticipated.  I think I have had 3 sink shots in the short time I have been learning.


3 for 3, that's awesome B|Lever.  Somehow I know that's an improvement....... :o

Quote


Perplexities:
`  The milk.  I have nailed a tight micro-foam one time.  I haven't a clue what I did differently.  Other milks have been bubble city to steamed milk without froth.  Long way to climb.  Will practice with water and soap sometime.


Yes, cleaning your pitcher once in a while is a good idea

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The weekend ritual is a vacpot for a dawn greeter, followed by a milwaukeatto©  after breakfast.  After a bit, I prepare a "Gibralter" (hate to see what Milo does with that).  1.5 oz shot with a 2 oz froth in a Bodum boroscilate tulip cup.  Delicious and every bit as good as the macchiato that Alterra prepped on a 3 group Zocca with the same coffee this week.


Moving from Milwakeatto©  to a Gibrlater (http://theshot.coffeeratings.com/2009/04/gibraltar-the-fools-cappuccino/).... Is that an progression in pooched roast drinks?

Quote
Gibralter: Sarsaparilla — in a dirty glass

We chalk up the rise of the Gibraltar as one of coffee’s more pointless creations — an artifact of America’s milk-engorged bastardization of the standard cappuccino.


Title: Re: '82 Olympia Cremina Lever...
Post by: BoldJava on July 02, 2011, 01:04:11 PM


Quote
Gibralter: Sarsaparilla — in a dirty glass

We chalk up the rise of the Gibraltar as one of coffee’s more pointless creations — an artifact of America’s milk-engorged bastardization of the standard cappuccino.

All the more reason to stick with the NYTimes than blogs <wink>

B|Java
Title: Re: '82 Olympia Cremina Lever...
Post by: BoldJava on July 06, 2011, 03:32:21 PM
Check the pstat settings.  I will probably find a hose that manages the heat and use this as is for "training wheels."  ...

Stopped by the auto mechanics and thanked them for the hose that I used in concert with the Omega gauge on the steaming wand.  It is silicone and it can manage the high temps.  Perfect fit, works like a charm.  It is a NAPA part, 702418, EGR (Exhaust, Gas, Recirculation) Hose for a Ford in case you ever need the right app.

B|Java
Title: Re: '82 Olympia Cremina Lever...
Post by: Warrior372 on July 06, 2011, 06:59:12 PM
Did you tell them that next time they have someone stop by for tubing for an espresso machine steam wand pressure checking rig to point over to the hose they showed you :) . I am sure they would have gotten a kick out of that!

No wood yet?
Title: Re: '82 Olympia Cremina Lever...
Post by: BoldJava on July 09, 2011, 02:29:14 PM
Big Mike stopped over for coffee.  I made him a macchiato from the Swiss Miss and Red Bird espresso.  Then he took over for a couple of Gibraltars and a latte for the Czarina.

The coffee came from the freezer.  I froze the remainder from the 5lb bag in pint Mason jars.  I couldn't discern any difference and the crema was such that Big Mike said, "Holy Crema, Batman.  This is like drinking a Guinness; smooth, bodied, textured, creamy."

OK, Snickers Stout.

B|Java
Title: Re: '82 Olympia Cremina Lever...
Post by: John F on July 09, 2011, 04:03:49 PM
I froze the remainder from the 5lb bag in pint Mason jars.  I couldn't discern any difference and the crema was such that Big Mike said, "Holy Crema, Batman.  This is like drinking a Guinness; smooth, bodied, textured, creamy."



Transparent freezing propaganda...  Next you will be making cold brewed coffee out of that frozen bean won't you?  ;D
Title: Re: '82 Olympia Cremina Lever...
Post by: mp on July 09, 2011, 04:07:52 PM
I froze the remainder from the 5lb bag in pint Mason jars.  I couldn't discern any difference and the crema was such that Big Mike said, "Holy Crema, Batman.  This is like drinking a Guinness; smooth, bodied, textured, creamy."



Transparent freezing propaganda...  Next you will be making cold brewed coffee out of that frozen bean won't you?  ;D

That sounds yummy!

 ;D
Title: Re: '82 Olympia Cremina Lever...
Post by: BoldJava on July 09, 2011, 04:11:44 PM

Transparent freezing propaganda...  Next you will be making cold brewed coffee out of that frozen bean won't you?  ;D

You clearly have me confused with an apostle of those guys that like cold brew.  I don't even like a cup of jo when it cools off through inattentiveness.

Title: Re: '82 Olympia Cremina Lever...
Post by: J.Jirehs Roaster on July 09, 2011, 04:54:32 PM
I froze the remainder from the 5lb bag in pint Mason jars.  I couldn't discern any difference and the crema was such that Big Mike said, "Holy Crema, Batman.  This is like drinking a Guinness; smooth, bodied, textured, creamy."



Transparent freezing propaganda...  Next you will be making cold brewed coffee out of that frozen bean won't you?  ;D

new method.. (I call copyright for when *$ wants it) grind the beans, put in 33deg F water, flash freeze sit for time for (patent pending) ice extraction, thaw and serve...
Title: Re: '82 Olympia Cremina Lever...
Post by: mp on July 09, 2011, 05:09:33 PM
I froze the remainder from the 5lb bag in pint Mason jars.  I couldn't discern any difference and the crema was such that Big Mike said, "Holy Crema, Batman.  This is like drinking a Guinness; smooth, bodied, textured, creamy."



Transparent freezing propaganda...  Next you will be making cold brewed coffee out of that frozen bean won't you?  ;D

new method.. (I call copyright for when *$ wants it) grind the beans, put in 33deg F water, flash freeze sit for time for (patent pending) ice extraction, thaw and serve...

Hmm ... now that sounds like something to try.

 :)
Title: Re: '82 Olympia Cremina Lever...
Post by: BoldJava on July 10, 2011, 03:09:45 PM
All Pimped Out.

'Furb by Warrior, wood by Cannonfodder, bottomless by Penny.

Title: Re: '82 Olympia Cremina Lever...
Post by: mp on July 10, 2011, 03:12:12 PM
Now you customized your Cremina so that no one else has one exactly like yours.

Well done Mr. B|Difference!

 :)
Title: Re: '82 Olympia Cremina Lever...
Post by: John F on July 10, 2011, 04:49:05 PM
[good morning Vietnam voice] Home of the shiny cocobola tamper...[/good morning Vietnam voice]
Title: Re: '82 Olympia Cremina Lever...
Post by: Warrior372 on July 10, 2011, 07:36:38 PM
Looking Good!
Title: Re: '82 Olympia Cremina Lever...
Post by: headchange4u on July 10, 2011, 07:40:39 PM
Very nice setup Dave.
Title: Re: '82 Olympia Cremina Lever...
Post by: milowebailey on July 11, 2011, 06:48:32 AM
All Pimped Out.

'Furb by Warrior, wood by Cannonfodder, bottomless by Penny.


Sweet looking machine.... made any drinks with it >:D
Title: Re: '82 Olympia Cremina Lever...
Post by: peter on July 11, 2011, 07:51:44 AM
All Pimped Out.

'Furb by Warrior, wood by Cannonfodder, bottomless by Penny.


Sweet looking machine.... made any drinks with it >:D

I keep getting this picture of Rodney Dangerfield in a Formula 1 Indy car.  Not sure why this is happening, but it only happens when I read this thread.
Title: Re: '82 Olympia Cremina Lever...
Post by: BoldJava on July 11, 2011, 08:16:23 AM
...
I keep getting this picture of Rodney Dangerfield in a Formula 1 Indy car....

Absolutely the best line of the year!  Well done.

B|Java


Revenge is a platter best served cold. ~ Lebanese proverb.


Title: Re: '82 Olympia Cremina Lever...
Post by: BoldJava on July 14, 2011, 04:04:57 AM
...
Moving from Milwakeatto©  to a Gibrlater ([url]http://theshot.coffeeratings.com/2009/04/gibraltar-the-fools-cappuccino/[/url]).... Is that an progression in pooched roast drinks?

...

We chalk up the rise of the Gibraltar as one of coffee’s more pointless creations — an artifact of America’s milk-engorged bastardization of the standard cappuccino.


Stopped for a macchiato at Alterra yesterday.  Chewed the fat with the young barista and Gibraltars came up.  Here is a bit of history on them and how they are gaining traction in shop whose names with which we are familiar.  Don't look for them in Milo's posts or kitchen.  Name comes from the line of glasses by Libbey - has nothing to do with the rock.

http://youngandfoodish.com/coffee/gibraltar-san-franciscos-cult-coffee-comes-to-london/ (http://youngandfoodish.com/coffee/gibraltar-san-franciscos-cult-coffee-comes-to-london/)

Title: Re: '82 Olympia Cremina Lever...
Post by: milowebailey on July 14, 2011, 07:43:25 AM


Stopped for a Milwaukeatto©  at Alterra yesterday.  Chewed the fat with the young barista and Gibraltars came up.  


I see your sweet lookin' Cremina is getting a good workout :BangHead:
Title: Re: '82 Olympia Cremina Lever...
Post by: Warrior372 on July 14, 2011, 08:06:25 AM


Stopped for a Milwaukeatto©  at Alterra yesterday.  Chewed the fat with the young barista and Gibraltars came up.  


I see your sweet lookin' Cremina is getting a good workout :BangHead:

Milo, He would have to learn how to steam milk on the Cremina if he wanted to make one of those . . . . . It was just easier to drive to a local shop :) .
Title: Re: '82 Olympia Cremina Lever...
Post by: peter on July 14, 2011, 08:09:18 AM


Stopped for a Milwaukeatto©  at Alterra yesterday.  Chewed the fat with the young barista and Gibraltars came up.  


I see your sweet lookin' Cremina is getting a good workout :BangHead:

Milo, He would have to learn how to steam milk on the Cremina if he wanted to make one of those . . . . . It was just easier to drive to a local shop :) .

They're gangin' up on you, B|Dangerfield!
Title: Re: '82 Olympia Cremina Lever...
Post by: milowebailey on July 14, 2011, 08:48:42 AM


Stopped for a Milwaukeatto©  at Alterra yesterday.  Chewed the fat with the young barista and Gibraltars came up.  



I see your sweet lookin' Cremina is getting a good workout :BangHead:


Milo, He would have to learn how to steam milk on the Cremina if he wanted to make one of those . . . . . It was just easier to drive to a local shop :) .


They're gangin' up on you, B|Dangerfield!


But it looks good on Him!

Looks good on you (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ejD5sEhZAQ#)
Title: Re: '82 Olympia Cremina Lever...
Post by: peter on July 14, 2011, 12:59:01 PM
You guys should take it easy on him, I've hardly touched my Gaggia Factory since I picked it up, my excuse is that I'm waiting to finish the sideboard to make my coffee shrine, but with a trip to Denver next week and Kauai the week after it keeps getting pushed back.


Yah!  You guys should take it easy on him.
Title: Re: '82 Olympia Cremina Lever...
Post by: milowebailey on July 14, 2011, 01:01:33 PM
You guys should take it easy on him, I've hardly touched my Gaggia Factory since I picked it up, my excuse is that I'm waiting to finish the sideboard to make my coffee shrine, but with a trip to Denver next week and Kauai the week after it keeps getting pushed back.


Yah!  You guys should take it easy on him.
+1
Title: Re: '82 Olympia Cremina Lever...
Post by: staylor on July 14, 2011, 01:38:08 PM
...
Moving from Milwakeatto©  to a Gibrlater ([url]http://theshot.coffeeratings.com/2009/04/gibraltar-the-fools-cappuccino/[/url]).... Is that an progression in pooched roast drinks?

...

We chalk up the rise of the Gibraltar as one of coffee’s more pointless creations — an artifact of America’s milk-engorged bastardization of the standard cappuccino.


Stopped for a macchiato at Alterra yesterday.  Chewed the fat with the young barista and Gibraltars came up.  Here is a bit of history on them and how they are gaining traction in shop whose names with which we are familiar.  Don't look for them in Milo's posts or kitchen.  Name comes from the line of glasses by Libbey - has nothing to do with the rock.

[url]http://youngandfoodish.com/coffee/gibraltar-san-franciscos-cult-coffee-comes-to-london/[/url] ([url]http://youngandfoodish.com/coffee/gibraltar-san-franciscos-cult-coffee-comes-to-london/[/url])




So a 4.5oz drink is called the Gibraltar?

The 4oz cups I picked up in Vietnam in 2006 don't have a name on the bottom, so should I name my daily drink the Vietnam?
Title: Re: '82 Olympia Cremina Lever...
Post by: John F on July 14, 2011, 01:45:41 PM
The 4oz cups I picked up in Vietnam in 2006 don't have a name on the bottom, so should I name my daily drink the Vietnam?

What a kick in the pants... My daily drink is about the same as yours and I've never been to Vietnam.

Also with Vietnamese brewer this makes things confusing to know if you you are talking about one or the other..

4oz'er has a much better ring to it if you ask me.
Title: Re: '82 Olympia Cremina Lever...
Post by: staylor on July 14, 2011, 01:50:36 PM
Agreed John, I don't think it's fair to confuse the small milk drinker with proclamations of country specific titles, it just seems so exclusionary. ;-)

4oz'er it is.

Long live drink naming neutrality! ;-)
Title: Re: '82 Olympia Cremina Lever...
Post by: milowebailey on July 14, 2011, 01:58:28 PM
I think Shaun and John are a half ounce short of a Gibraltar ;D
Title: Re: '82 Olympia Cremina Lever...
Post by: staylor on July 14, 2011, 02:00:54 PM
But three times a straight shot. ;-)
Title: Re: '82 Olympia Cremina Lever...
Post by: peter on July 14, 2011, 02:37:25 PM
I think Shaun and John are a half ounce short of a Gibraltar ;D

I think their Gibraltars aren't wrapped real tight.
Title: Re: '82 Olympia Cremina Lever...
Post by: staylor on July 14, 2011, 02:41:34 PM
I think I hear John mumble something about when he gets a lever machine he's going to start following B|invisibleshots lead and get to work on his Gibraltars.
Title: Re: '82 Olympia Cremina Lever...
Post by: BoldJava on July 14, 2011, 03:14:21 PM
...
You guys should take it easy on him...

Teasing is a favorite form of attention in these parts. I am flattered <grins>.  Be at one with the attention...

B|Java
Title: Re: '82 Olympia Cremina Lever...
Post by: John F on July 14, 2011, 03:43:11 PM
I think I hear John mumble something about when he gets a lever machine he's going to start following B|invisibleshots lead and get to work on his Gibraltars.

My lever is inevitable now and I just might be working on Boulders someday...or should grand adventure strike maybe even Juneaus.   :o
Title: Re: '82 Olympia Cremina Lever...
Post by: staylor on July 14, 2011, 04:00:05 PM
I think I hear John mumble something about when he gets a lever machine he's going to start following B|invisibleshots lead and get to work on his Gibraltars.

My lever is inevitable now and I just might be working on Boulders someday...or should grand adventure strike maybe even Juneaus.   :o

Haha, you should start thinking about pouring some Rossland's.
Title: Re: '82 Olympia Cremina Lever...
Post by: John F on July 14, 2011, 04:03:50 PM
Haha, you should start thinking about pouring some Rossland's.

Don't tempt me Brother....

Title: Re: '82 Olympia Cremina Lever...
Post by: staylor on July 14, 2011, 05:24:09 PM
"Anyone want another gill before I turn the machine off?"

"This gill is good"

"Come on over for a couple of gills"

Maybe 4oz'er works better.
Title: Re: '82 Olympia Cremina Lever...
Post by: peter on July 14, 2011, 05:33:05 PM
"What the gill are you talking about?"
Title: Re: '82 Olympia Cremina Lever...
Post by: John F on July 14, 2011, 05:35:53 PM
How long before somebody asks for a non fat soy gill?
Title: Re: '82 Olympia Cremina Lever...
Post by: John F on July 14, 2011, 05:46:52 PM
but I'd be in real trouble drinking a firkin let alone a hogshead of espresso or cappuccino.

Not me....I think I'm going to have a firkin espresso right now.
Title: Re: '82 Olympia Cremina Lever...
Post by: mp on July 14, 2011, 05:50:45 PM
but I'd be in real trouble drinking a firkin let alone a hogshead of espresso or cappuccino.

Not me....I think I'm going to have a firkin espresso right now.

No cap tonight?

 ???
Title: Re: '82 Olympia Cremina Lever...
Post by: staylor on July 14, 2011, 05:59:02 PM
but I'd be in real trouble drinking a firkin let alone a hogshead of espresso or cappuccino.

Not me....I think I'm going to have a firkin espresso right now.

I don't want no steenkin Gibraltar, give me a firkin gill right now!
Title: Re: '82 Olympia Cremina Lever...
Post by: John F on July 14, 2011, 06:09:09 PM
I don't want no steenkin Gibraltar, give me a firkin gill right now!

We are getting close...

How about 4oz firkin gill for the formal name but 4oz'er for informal settings?
Title: Re: '82 Olympia Cremina Lever...
Post by: staylor on July 14, 2011, 06:12:14 PM
In the formal order you have to use your Bond voice.
Title: Re: '82 Olympia Cremina Lever...
Post by: John F on July 14, 2011, 06:18:58 PM
Bond voice.... I love it!  8)

And easier to get that the BIJava booming base voice.
Title: Re: '82 Olympia Cremina Lever...
Post by: grinderz on July 14, 2011, 06:24:57 PM
"Give me a firken gill latte, shaken - not swirled."
Title: Re: '82 Olympia Cremina Lever...
Post by: staylor on July 14, 2011, 06:36:47 PM
"This is a firkin Gibraltar! Take it back and get me a gill, shaken - not swirled."
Title: Re: '82 Olympia Cremina Lever...
Post by: J.Jirehs Roaster on July 14, 2011, 06:49:28 PM
LMAO... we need a like feature... you guys are firkin hilarious...   
Title: Re: '82 Olympia Cremina Lever...
Post by: milowebailey on July 15, 2011, 06:38:26 AM
How long before somebody asks for a non fat soy gill?
You could call those a Gill Vegan

and open a stand called Gill Vegan's Island!
Title: Re: '82 Olympia Cremina Lever...
Post by: BoldJava on July 27, 2011, 06:10:06 AM
Let's get a parts number/schematic up here.  I will probably never find the URL when I need it:

(http://i207.photobucket.com/albums/bb117/1995hk/TECHNICAL_DIAGRAM_CREMINA_6.jpg)
Title: Re: '82 Olympia Cremina Lever...
Post by: peter on July 27, 2011, 07:04:37 AM
Wow!  What a complicated machine!  My LaSpaz is waaaaay more simple than that!   ;)
Title: Re: '82 Olympia Cremina Lever...
Post by: milowebailey on July 27, 2011, 07:44:50 AM
Wow!  What a complicated machine!  My LaSpaz is waaaaay more simple than that!   ;)
Don't tell him that it will scare him away from her even more.  B|Timid hardly approaches Ms. Cremina now...

"Boy that's a simple machine, even a child could pull a good shot"
Title: Re: '82 Olympia Cremina Lever...
Post by: Tex on July 27, 2011, 08:45:05 AM
Damn, you'd have to be a B|Scientist to figure out how to get the most from that thing.

Very intimidating & scary!
(http://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTUTEcAjzAmc--6DXHpTFjNQwGocI4qS-iTrLbB9dF7bTz_P8akfQ)
Title: Re: '82 Olympia Cremina Lever...
Post by: mp on July 27, 2011, 02:25:16 PM
That almost looks like it was put together by a rocket scientist.

 ???
Title: Re: '82 Olympia Cremina Lever...
Post by: BoldJava on July 30, 2011, 08:27:49 AM
From the Cremina this a.m, bottomless filter.  16.5 grams of Red Bird Espresso, 30 seconds.  Dream-machine.  Have I thanked you Mike?
Title: Re: '82 Olympia Cremina Lever...
Post by: Tex on July 30, 2011, 08:34:11 AM
From the Cremina this a.m, bottomless filter.  16.5 grams of Red Bird Espresso, 30 seconds.

Pretty!
Title: Re: '82 Olympia Cremina Lever...
Post by: milowebailey on July 30, 2011, 09:12:32 AM
From the Cremina this a.m, bottomless filter.  16.5 grams of Red Bird Espresso, 30 seconds.  Dream-machine.  Have I thanked you Mike?
Very well done B|Lever!  Good to see you using it..... next step is with some of your own home roasted coffee.
Title: Re: '82 Olympia Cremina Lever...
Post by: peter on July 30, 2011, 09:27:46 AM
Someday I want to find out what sort of nastiness B|Java inflicted on Milo to deserve such retaliation; certainly, Milo is too kind a soul to bring unwarranted harassment.  What did you do to him Dave?
Title: Re: '82 Olympia Cremina Lever...
Post by: BoldJava on July 30, 2011, 09:31:28 AM
Someday I want to find out what sort of nastiness B|Java inflicted on Milo to deserve such retaliation; certainly, Milo is too kind a soul to bring unwarranted harassment.  What did you do to him Dave?

You will have to fill me in.  I have that toofless wonder on
'ignoramus.'

The shot started with pure crema.  Running around the kitchen,
grabbing the camera -- wanted the shot -- out of focus, then
missed the shot ... finally got it focused so I
wouldn't catch grief from my other board critic <grins> for
being out of focus -- and ended up with this shot.

The limelight is sometimes intense but there is an
associated cost that goes with fame.

B|Java
Title: Re: '82 Olympia Cremina Lever...
Post by: Warrior372 on July 30, 2011, 09:41:24 AM
From the Cremina this a.m, bottomless filter.  16.5 grams of Red Bird Espresso, 30 seconds.  Dream-machine.  Have I thanked you Mike?

I am glad you like it! How is the taste of the shots progressing / how is the learning curve coming along? Nice looking shot!
Title: Re: '82 Olympia Cremina Lever...
Post by: BoldJava on July 30, 2011, 09:51:47 AM
The shots are excellent.  The learning curve on the Cremina shot is not that steep.  I have the feeling that the Cremina is very, very forgiving compared to other levers.  I sip every one I pour to learn before macch'ing it.

I am learning the difference in both grind and tamp between the OEM basket/PF and the Elektra basket/MPenny bottomless.  Two totally different arrangements -- grind and tamp.

Frothing milk is a whole 'nother game.  The sucker is steep -- come this Fall, I am going to tackle it.  Right now, I am just enjoying the journey.  Will apply myself to that learning curve when I am ready.


B|Java
Title: Re: '82 Olympia Cremina Lever...
Post by: milowebailey on July 30, 2011, 09:59:40 AM
I think you are progressing nicely B|Cremina.   Good milk does no good on bad Espresso, so you are doing first things first....

I haven't pulled a great shot on my Achille yet... Pulled a few this morning... mediocre at best.

Part of the problem might be my Astra grinder.  Seems it doesn't grind fine enough.  I know Tex raves about them, but I like my Santos much better.
Title: Re: '82 Olympia Cremina Lever...
Post by: Tex on July 30, 2011, 10:07:48 AM


FIFY
Title: Re: '82 Olympia Cremina Lever...
Post by: John F on August 06, 2011, 07:47:20 PM
16.5 grams of Red Bird Espresso

Tell me a bit about this Red Bird espresso...
Title: Re: '82 Olympia Cremina Lever...
Post by: Warrior372 on August 06, 2011, 08:09:13 PM
It is good! B|Java brought it over to my place for the maiden voyage on the Cremina. The best shots we pulled match their description to a T with all of the main flavor components of a snickers bar. There was caramel, chocolate and nuttiness.
Title: Re: '82 Olympia Cremina Lever...
Post by: John F on August 06, 2011, 08:26:29 PM
I'm thinking about sending a pound or two of commercial coffee down the portafilter of the Lusso to dial it in.

My stash is seriously low anyhow and it's time to restock so a stable/known coffee might be a good idea. I remember from Team Sugarland testing commercial beans doing a fast fade after day 3 but still...I might do it.
Title: Re: '82 Olympia Cremina Lever...
Post by: peter on August 06, 2011, 09:00:34 PM
$50 for 5# shipped is a hot deal for a good blend.  I might order some too, and freeze it in canning jars.  You might blast through 2# the first week, and then you'll have a good reserve.  Dave says this blend holds together fairly long before fading, and you're close enough that you could have it a day or two out of the roaster.
Title: Re: '82 Olympia Cremina Lever...
Post by: BoldJava on August 07, 2011, 05:14:41 AM
It is good! B|Java brought it over to my place for the maiden voyage on the Cremina. The best shots we pulled match their description to a T with all of the main flavor components of a snickers bar. There was caramel, chocolate and nuttiness.


Red Bird?  H-B'ers have a lovefest with it.  http://www.home-barista.com/coffees/red-bird-espresso-t14846.html. (http://www.home-barista.com/coffees/red-bird-espresso-t14846.html.)  Some in the thread suggest 7 day rest after roast day, IRC.

As Warrior said, caramel, chocolates, and nuts.  Comfort shot.  I snagged 5 lbs, gave some to Warrior, JJR, and Peter.  Used what I could week 1 and then froze in pint jars.  I pull 8 oz out on Friday night and then we are good for the weekend.  I discern no deterioration in crema or taste.

I wanted to eliminate one variable.  Same coffee, shot after shot, grind after grind.  Redbird is a superb one to introduce you to the world of levers.  http://redbirdcoffee.com/redbirdespresso.html (http://redbirdcoffee.com/redbirdespresso.html)
Title: Re: '82 Olympia Cremina Lever...
Post by: Warrior372 on August 10, 2011, 07:47:11 PM
How long have new Cremina been at $3,850? I was just looking around Orphan and noticed that price. Last I remember they were hovering around $3,250. . . . . Am I hallucinating or did the price jump $600 in the past 2-3 months?

I am about to go get CAD images of the parts made and then wander over to a machine shop. I cannot imagine it would cost more than $1k to have a machine shop make the essential parts from scratch. . . . . weld a frame, boiler and cnc the group . . . .

Maybe I fell asleep at the wheel and they have been $3,850 for some time now. Could be sleep deprivation.
Title: Re: '82 Olympia Cremina Lever...
Post by: BoldJava on August 11, 2011, 03:43:34 AM
Doug has to pay for the machine in $s.  The dollar has slid almost 10percent against the Euro this year.  The machine came out of OE's gate at $3650 in ~ April, though I am sure he was in negotiations for a while before then. He has to charge more $s even if the company doesn't raise its price (in Euros).

http://finance.yahoo.com/q/bc?s=USDEUR=X&t=1y&l=on&z=m&q=l&c= (http://finance.yahoo.com/q/bc?s=USDEUR=X&t=1y&l=on&z=m&q=l&c=)

BJava
Title: Re: '82 Olympia Cremina Lever...
Post by: John F on August 11, 2011, 05:21:32 AM
Why was the starting price so high?

I dont know much about that machine other than it looks good drenched in nunchaku wood.  8)

But it looks over double price no?
Title: Re: '82 Olympia Cremina Lever...
Post by: mp on August 11, 2011, 05:23:28 AM
Why was the starting price so high?

I dont know much about that machine other than it looks good drenched in nunchaku wood.  8)

But it looks over double price no?

The sinking US buck plays a good part in that.

 :-X
Title: Re: '82 Olympia Cremina Lever...
Post by: BoldJava on August 11, 2011, 05:28:40 AM
Why was the starting price so high?

I dont know much about that machine other than it looks good drenched in nunchaku wood.  8)

But it looks over double price no?

Supply and demand.  They have a branded product; niche market.  Probably have a goal of producing XXX units for sale per year with a stabilized, non-growth strategy. I think I have read repeatedly that historically, their distribution was 165 units to NAmer, per year.  Don't know that factually -- just what I have seen more than once.

Obviously they sell at that price or they would have to drop the price.  They could take the specs and off-shore it and crank out tons.  Clearly, they aren't interested in doing that.

B|Java
Title: Re: '82 Olympia Cremina Lever...
Post by: BoldJava on August 11, 2011, 05:30:07 PM
Let's see -- tomorrow we have Stumptown's Hairbender and Red Bird's espresso blend, along with Jeff's magic on the camera.

Life is just one beach party here in Visconsin.

B|Java
Title: Re: '82 Olympia Cremina Lever...
Post by: peter on August 11, 2011, 05:52:59 PM
Let's see -- tomorrow we have Stumptown's Hairbender and Red Bird's espresso blend, along with Jeff's magic on the camera.

Life is just one beach party here in Visconsin.

B|Java

I have some coffee that tastes like cheddar and brats, if you want me to bring it.
Title: Re: '82 Olympia Cremina Lever...
Post by: BoldJava on September 16, 2011, 04:17:18 AM
Orphan Espresso is uploading a series of 20+ YouTubes on rebuilding a '76 Cremina that someone bought off eBay and had shipped to Doug to rebuild.  Share-ware.  Doug didn't charge for the rebuild, just as a thank you to her for permitting the machine as showpiece in the process.  Wow.


I am particularly curious as I think that when the screen needs interior cleaning, haven't a clue on how to disassemble.  I think then entire group needs to come off.  Warrior will be close by when I take screw-driver in hand.

B|Java
Begins here: 


So You Got a Cremina--Rebuild Video Introduction (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FVSe5TX6Jxw#ws). 
Title: Re: '82 Olympia Cremina Lever...
Post by: BoldJava on September 17, 2011, 04:03:05 PM
Orphan Espresso is uploading a series of 20+ YouTubes on rebuilding a '76 Cremina that someone bought off eBay...

The YouTubes are interesting to follow along.  At one point, Doug discusses a dremel tool, how it slipped, he lost control and it got into his beard.  I hooted out loud.

Title: Re: '82 Olympia Cremina Lever...
Post by: BoldJava on January 21, 2012, 06:19:11 AM
Have been looking for a solution to the open wood caps on the boiler cap and the steam knob.  Score.

Stopped at a local hardware that has soup to nuts.  Chrome caps, with tension prongs for seating.  Perfect!

B|Java
Title: Re: '82 Olympia Cremina Lever...
Post by: BoldJava on August 26, 2013, 09:27:12 AM
Aha!  Found the portafilters!

We have company coming in all week and I was invited by the Czarina to straighten up some of my coffee toys.  Lo and behold, there was the portafilters, some citric acid, and my tamper.

I will clean the boiler this week, get it cleaned up, and have it ready to fire up for company.  And what coffee I have around.  Time to celebrate, all the way around.
Title: Re: '82 Olympia Cremina Lever...
Post by: BoldJava on September 19, 2013, 09:52:33 AM
Descaled the Cremina this morning, using Doug's guidance found here.  I had bought a claw/flexible button light to check the boiler.  Grabbed it at an auto supply store, $10.  http://www.amazon.com/MAXCRAFT-60184-Lighted-Magnetic-Pick-Up/dp/B0042D6H44/ref=pd_sxp_grid_pt_0_1 (http://www.amazon.com/MAXCRAFT-60184-Lighted-Magnetic-Pick-Up/dp/B0042D6H44/ref=pd_sxp_grid_pt_0_1)

I use tap water filtered through the Britta.  I was surprised at how little mineral deposits in there.  Maybe the Britta is working better than I imagined.  The black coating on the brass boiler inners that Doug describes was there.

Easy, peasy.  Painting/remodeling projects done.  Our cafe' room is now up and running with the Cremina ready to go.

Orphan Espresso Tech Tip - Machine Descaling (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BewMTXmKHds#ws)
Title: Re: '82 Olympia Cremina Lever...
Post by: simmich on September 19, 2013, 10:17:55 AM
I've been pulling shots with my Cremina for years using refrigerator filtered water filtered again through a Britta.  I descale every 3 months with citric acid...little to no scale.  Seems Creminas are good with Britta, 'specially if you empty the machine before putting it to sleep. The water here is very mineralized leaving visible scale everywhere (cars,glass,metals) but inside the boiler! We change out Britta filters, a.c. filters, and descale and lube the Cremina quarterly.
Title: Re: '82 Olympia Cremina Lever...
Post by: BoldJava on September 19, 2013, 10:20:53 AM
It's the lubing job that scares me.  Ill-founded?

Sent via phone with big, fat fingers.
Title: Re: '82 Olympia Cremina Lever...
Post by: Cammie on September 19, 2013, 10:29:39 AM
Scares me too.  :) Let me know how it goes.  I will need to do mine in the next few months.
Title: Re: '82 Olympia Cremina Lever...
Post by: simmich on September 19, 2013, 11:27:30 AM
It's the lubing job that scares me.  Ill-founded?

Yep...couple of dabs of Dow111 over here, a spray or 2 of food grade silicon over there, equals a smoothe pull. Don't want anything wearing out prematurely!
Title: Re: '82 Olympia Cremina Lever...
Post by: BoldJava on September 19, 2013, 11:49:13 AM
...
Yep...couple of dabs of Dow111 over here, a spray or 2 of food grade silicon over there, equals a smoothe pull. Don't want anything wearing out prematurely!


Any suggestions beyond this?  http://www.orphanespresso.com/Olympia-Cremina-Group-Maintenance-NAG_ep_622-1.html (http://www.orphanespresso.com/Olympia-Cremina-Group-Maintenance-NAG_ep_622-1.html)
Title: Re: '82 Olympia Cremina Lever...
Post by: simmich on September 19, 2013, 11:58:34 AM
...
Yep...couple of dabs of Dow111 over here, a spray or 2 of food grade silicon over there, equals a smoothe pull. Don't want anything wearing out prematurely!


Any suggestions beyond this?  [url]http://www.orphanespresso.com/Olympia-Cremina-Group-Maintenance-NAG_ep_622-1.html[/url] ([url]http://www.orphanespresso.com/Olympia-Cremina-Group-Maintenance-NAG_ep_622-1.html[/url])


Nope...Doug says it all. Or as FDR said, "there is nothing to fear but fear itself". Do it Dave, your machine will love you more.
Title: Re: '82 Olympia Cremina Lever...
Post by: BoldJava on September 20, 2013, 07:53:53 AM

Nope...Doug says it all. Or as FDR said, "there is nothing to fear but fear itself". Do it Dave, your machine will love you more.

OK, I will play.  See picture.  That gasket has to come out first, right?  Is it a common gasket I can find most anywhere, Ace, Home Depot or is an OEM required if I rip it up.

Fishing it out...I have dental picks.  Go after it with them?
Title: Re: '82 Olympia Cremina Lever...
Post by: BoldJava on September 21, 2013, 02:07:23 PM
It's the lubing job that scares me.  Ill-founded?

Yep...couple of dabs of Dow111 over here, a spray or 2 of food grade silicon over there, equals a smoothe pull. Don't want anything wearing out prematurely!

I had Curly and Tim (machinist) look at the Cremina last night.  I am going to grab a rubber mallet and knock the piston out one night when they are over, looking over my shoulder, and learn how to do this maintenance.  Tim looked at the yoke (stretched somewhat) and said if it does give out (former owner clearly didn't do PM), it is shot.  Depending on the material of which the yoke is made, it can be redone, though not easy.  Keeping an eye on it and Tim will take a closer look once it is disassembled.

I will document it with photos so if we have any other 10Thumbs, you can take a run at it.
Title: Re: '82 Olympia Cremina Lever...
Post by: BoldJava on June 17, 2014, 06:37:07 AM
Taming the beast.

Milo spent some quality time on the Cremina.  Really too much oomph on the steamer for my pours.  Always big bubbles.  Milo said we could turn down pstat but not a good idea because the shots are fine at this temp/pressure.  Alternatives are to:

1.  use a toothpick in one outlet
2.  get a different tip
3.  use more milk

Milo did use more milk and got the milk/pour down quite well.  I will give that a try for the next month as I now realize I use too little in the pitcher.  Thanks, coach!
Title: Re: '82 Olympia Cremina Lever...
Post by: Cammie on June 17, 2014, 07:59:00 AM
Taming the beast.

Milo spent some quality time on the Cremina.  Really too much oomph on the steamer for my pours.  Always big bubbles.  Milo said we could turn down pstat but not a good idea because the shots are fine at this temp/pressure.  Alternatives are to:

1.  use a toothpick in one outlet
2.  get a different tip
3.  use more milk

Milo did use more milk and got the milk/pour down quite well.  I will give that a try for the next month as I now realize I use too little in the pitcher.  Thanks, coach!

Very nice.  I think that having a second/several back-up levers is always sensible....almost a necessity. Better pick up a Lusso as well. :)
Title: Re: '82 Olympia Cremina Lever...
Post by: BoldJava on June 17, 2014, 08:37:35 AM
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Very nice.  I think that having a second/several back-up levers is always sensible....almost a necessity. Better pick up a Lusso as well. :)

Larry played on the Cremina quite a bit this week and actually prefers the PVL with the spring.  I don't know a PVL that well but as I have said before, after sampling his shots off the PVL in Portland, if I didn't have the Cremina at a reasonable price, I would grab a PVL in a second.

Yakster commented that folks move away from Levers because of the intimidation factor.  He stated that he finds levers more easily used than pump machines.
Title: Re: '82 Olympia Cremina Lever...
Post by: jspain on June 17, 2014, 08:48:01 AM
Dave,

How much milk were you steaming before, and how much milk did Larry get too for a better pour??? I'm at 4oz.
Title: Re: '82 Olympia Cremina Lever...
Post by: BoldJava on June 17, 2014, 09:09:35 AM
Dave,

How much milk were you steaming before, and how much milk did Larry get too for a better pour??? I'm at 4oz.

Have no idea.  Will measure tomorrow.  2.5 before <?>, 4 oz now is probably pretty close.
Title: Re: '82 Olympia Cremina Lever...
Post by: smico on June 17, 2014, 10:14:02 AM
Dave,
Keeping the pitcher in the freezer helps.
My Brewtus died a while ago, so Cremina is now in daily use.  I am in no rush to fix the Brewtus.
Cheers
Miroslav
Title: Re: '82 Olympia Cremina Lever...
Post by: SJM on June 28, 2014, 09:48:37 AM
I suspect there may be as much difference between a manual lever and a spring lever as there is between a pump and any kind of a lever.

Spring levers are a piece of cake.
I'm not as sure that a manual would be....

Susan
Title: Re: '82 Olympia Cremina Lever...
Post by: BoldJava on June 28, 2014, 10:20:23 AM
...

Spring levers are a piece of cake.
I'm not as sure that a manual would be....

Susan


Look, if I can work one, YOU can work one.
Title: Re: '82 Olympia Cremina Lever...
Post by: simmich on June 28, 2014, 11:59:09 AM

Spring levers are a piece of cake.
I'm not as sure that a manual would be....

Susan

This mornings caps, pulled on my 67 Cremina, (Brazil with a bit of Konga as an accent)  seriously tasted like German Chocolate cake!