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Coffee Discussion boards => Hardware & Equipment => Topic started by: EricBNC on September 19, 2011, 07:29:23 PM
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I saw this over on CG - looks like a good deal for $7. I have a plastic Melitta but no ceramic yet so... off to WM I go!
http://www.worldmarket.com/search/index.jsp?kwCatId=&kw=ceramic%20coffee%20filter&origkw=Ceramic+Coffee+Filter+&sr=1 (http://www.worldmarket.com/search/index.jsp?kwCatId=&kw=ceramic%20coffee%20filter&origkw=Ceramic+Coffee+Filter+&sr=1)
I am a little concerned about losing heat with ceramic but if I add a pre-heat I might even gain an advantage with ceramic over the plastic cone.
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I'll grab one next time I'm in this place.
Red. 8)
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I'll grab one next time I'm in this place.
Red. 8)
Note the drip arrangement. Often, knock-offs only have one hole for flow-through. If they are Chinese, you need a level of comfort that the baked paint is up to FDA standards (lead glaze). There was a dust-up between the FDA and its counterpart over that. http://www.accessdata.fda.gov/cms_ia/importalert_122.html#main (http://www.accessdata.fda.gov/cms_ia/importalert_122.html#main)
Personally, I would opt for an $18 Beehouse and know what I have. Your mileage may vary.
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I'll grab one next time I'm in this place.
Red. 8)
Note the drip arrangement. Often, knock-offs only have one hole for flow-through. If they are Chinese, you need a level of comfort that the baked paint is up to FDA standards (lead glaze). There was a dust-up between the FDA and its counterpart over that. [url]http://www.accessdata.fda.gov/cms_ia/importalert_122.html#main[/url] ([url]http://www.accessdata.fda.gov/cms_ia/importalert_122.html#main[/url])
Personally, I would opt for an $18 Beehouse and know what I have. Your mileage may vary.
Oh come on B|Paranoid.... the Chinese would never send something over here that they wouldn't use! ...... would they?
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I'll grab one next time I'm in this place.
Red. 8)
Note the drip arrangement. Often, knock-offs only have one hole for flow-through. If they are Chinese, you need a level of comfort that the baked paint is up to FDA standards (lead glaze). There was a dust-up between the FDA and its counterpart over that. [url]http://www.accessdata.fda.gov/cms_ia/importalert_122.html#main[/url] ([url]http://www.accessdata.fda.gov/cms_ia/importalert_122.html#main[/url])
Personally, I would opt for an $18 Beehouse and know what I have. Your mileage may vary.
Why single out the Chinese - Mexico & Britain are prime violators as well. I test all ceramics (yes, even the eagle mugs) using a test kit (http://www.reuters.com/article/2007/10/31/us-lead-test-idUSSAT18185420071031).
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I'll grab one next time I'm in this place.
Red. 8)
Note the drip arrangement. Often, knock-offs only have one hole for flow-through. If they are Chinese, you need a level of comfort that the baked paint is up to FDA standards (lead glaze). There was a dust-up between the FDA and its counterpart over that. [url]http://www.accessdata.fda.gov/cms_ia/importalert_122.html#main[/url] ([url]http://www.accessdata.fda.gov/cms_ia/importalert_122.html#main[/url])
Personally, I would opt for an $18 Beehouse and know what I have. Your mileage may vary.
Oh come on B|Paranoid.... the Chinese would never send something over here that they wouldn't use! ...... would they?
;D
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I'll grab one next time I'm in this place.
Red. 8)
Note the drip arrangement. Often, knock-offs only have one hole for flow-through. If they are Chinese, you need a level of comfort that the baked paint is up to FDA standards (lead glaze). There was a dust-up between the FDA and its counterpart over that. [url]http://www.accessdata.fda.gov/cms_ia/importalert_122.html#main[/url] ([url]http://www.accessdata.fda.gov/cms_ia/importalert_122.html#main[/url])
Personally, I would opt for an $18 Beehouse and know what I have. Your mileage may vary.
Why single out the Chinese - Mexico & Britain are prime violators as well. I test all ceramics (yes, even the eagle mugs) using a test kit ([url]http://www.reuters.com/article/2007/10/31/us-lead-test-idUSSAT18185420071031[/url]).
+1. This is not simply a Chinese problem. As much public scrutiny their earthenware products received a while back odds are current Chinese product of this type imported now will be safe.
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lead is not the only concern.. in my experience as a potter the ceramic colors in the red part of the spectrum are the ones you will most likely find lead but other chemicals are used for other colors.. if the base glaze tat the colorants are added too are not well formulated and fired than leaching can occur and over time that chemical can get in your system, some don'c come out of your system easy.. its not the chemicals its the porosity of the finished glaze they are suspended in.. I look out for matte glazes on food wear and look for white or clear glazes on the primary food surface (inside the mug) if you want to know if your pretty matte platter that you serve fruit wedges and deviled eggs at the church potluck on is safe.. leave a lemon wedge on the glaze over night... if you take the wedge off in the morning and see an image like a shadow of the lemon wedge on your plate.. it is leaching chemicals. so get one with a white shiny inside
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I'll grab one next time I'm in this place.
Red. 8)
Note the drip arrangement. Often, knock-offs only have one hole for flow-through. If they are Chinese, you need a level of comfort that the baked paint is up to FDA standards (lead glaze). There was a dust-up between the FDA and its counterpart over that. [url]http://www.accessdata.fda.gov/cms_ia/importalert_122.html#main[/url] ([url]http://www.accessdata.fda.gov/cms_ia/importalert_122.html#main[/url])
Personally, I would opt for an $18 Beehouse and know what I have. Your mileage may vary.
Why single out the Chinese - Mexico & Britain are prime violators as well. I test all ceramics (yes, even the eagle mugs) using a test kit ([url]http://www.reuters.com/article/2007/10/31/us-lead-test-idUSSAT18185420071031[/url]).
+1. This is not simply a Chinese problem. As much public scrutiny their earthenware products received a while back odds are current Chinese product of this type imported now will be safe.
No, it probably just means that foreign manufacturers know we have a tiny inspection staff, and the odds of getting caught are infinitesimally low.
Check this out. (http://www.accessdata.fda.gov/cms_ia/importalert_122.html)
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Looks like a lot of them got caught to me. If it tests bad then I go back to WM and get my $7 bucks back - the world keeps spinning, the sky does not fall...
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Looks like a lot of them got caught to me. If it tests bad then I go back to WM and get my $7 bucks back - the world keeps spinning, the sky does not fall...
:o
What about the stuff you think is safe and don't test? Ever visit friends for dinner or go out to eat? Maybe you've had coffee at a place that actually uses ceramic cups instead of paper?
It's scary to think of all of the possible exposures to lead, especially since the damage from lead is irreversible. :o It's gotten so I almost want to carry a test swab with me!
"Lead may cause irreversible neurological damage as well as renal disease, cardiovascular effects, and reproductive toxicity." CDC paper
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In spite of how true that is one cannot go around being overly paranoid for ones own sanity ... IMHO.
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In spite of how true that is one cannot go around being overly paranoid for ones own sanity ... IMHO.
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If the damage is already done don't sweat it, right Mike? Is it still paranoia if they are out to get you? :o
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In spite of how true that is one cannot go around being overly paranoid for ones own sanity ... IMHO.
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If the damage is already done don't sweat it, right Mike? Is it still paranoia if they are out to get you? :o
Your post makes no sense to me - why do you test even your eagle mug? If you know how to protect yourself against something you should no longer fear it.
I do not fear the $7 Ceramic cone from World Market...
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In spite of how true that is one cannot go around being overly paranoid for ones own sanity ... IMHO.
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If the damage is already done don't sweat it, right Mike? Is it still paranoia if they are out to get you? :o
Maybe they are out to get you but are you going to let the fear rule your life?
I'm just saying.
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In spite of how true that is one cannot go around being overly paranoid for ones own sanity ... IMHO.
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If the damage is already done don't sweat it, right Mike? Is it still paranoia if they are out to get you? :o
Maybe they are out to get you but are you going to let the fear rule your life?
I'm just saying.
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Hell no - I'm gonna get the SOBs before they get me!
(http://www.gifmania.co.uk/weapons/machine-gun/tommy_med_gry.gif) >:(
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Someone on CoffeeGeek posted some photos of a green cone from World Market - the poster refers to a small hole but judging from the photo it is simiilar to what I see on my Ready Set Joe from Melitta.
Barring any material issues, is this hole size any reason to be concerned?
http://www.coffeegeek.com/forums/coffee/machines/545331#545331 (http://www.coffeegeek.com/forums/coffee/machines/545331#545331)
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Someone on CoffeeGeek posted some photos of a green cone from World Market - the poster refers to a small hole but judging from the photo it is simiilar to what I see on my Ready Set Joe from Melitta...
That is insufficient drainage, IMO. YMMV.
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I haven't picked one up yet - what if you grind coarser - still think it won't drain sufficiently?
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Someone on CoffeeGeek posted some photos of a green cone from World Market - the poster refers to a small hole but judging from the photo it is simiilar to what I see on my Ready Set Joe from Melitta...
That is insufficient drainage, IMO. YMMV.
I drilled extra holes in my Melitta pour over - preferring to let the filters be the limiting factor.
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Grinding more coarsely gives a different extraction.
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I can get this one from Frieling through ROASTe:
(http://i53.tinypic.com/mske1z.jpg)
This is still a one hole model (photo from Amazon) but the hole looks bigger.
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I can get this one from Frieling through ROASTe:
([url]http://i53.tinypic.com/mske1z.jpg[/url])
This is still a one hole model (photo from Amazon) but the hole looks bigger.
It is a 6-cup Frieling Cilio. That hole is insufficient. Peter and I drilled it out to make it larger. Burnt up two drill bits in the process. http://www.greencoffeebuyingclub.com/index.php?topic=7057.msg146323#msg146323 (http://www.greencoffeebuyingclub.com/index.php?topic=7057.msg146323#msg146323)
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Ouch - looks like it won't be much of an improvement then. :(
The only other pourover on ROASTe is the V60 02 Ceramic.
(http://www.roaste.com/files/imagecache/image_230/files/Hario-Coffee-Dripper-V60-02-Ceramic.jpg)
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The only other pourover on ROASTe is the V60 02 Ceramic.
Yes, yes, yes. Excellent choice. Use Melitta white filters and fold them at a right angle.
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ROASTe's gain is World Market's loss - I used AUTUMN5 for $5 off this $22.55 (worth of ebeans) Hario cone. Thanks for the advice BoldJava.
If I like it well enough I might drop $45 worth of beans on the Hario Buono V60 Drip Kettle next.
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I stopped by the WM last night with the wife after dinner to try and walk off the food coma. First thing I did after stepping inside was head over to the coffee section. The hole seemed way too small to me and this is before I read the same here and not having much experience with pourovers. All wasn't lost though, I did manage to walk out with some yummy chocolate filled biscuit cookies and chili seasoned plantain chips from Chile. :D
The wifey picked out some eats too, man pregnant women have weird tastes!
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She wasn't in the mood for chili seasoned plantain chips? ;D
About the cone - Over on CG someone reported a long draw down - lucky for you that the force is strong. Lucky for me that I keep counsel with the goat.
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She wasn't in the mood for chili seasoned plantain chips? ;D
About the cone - Over on CG someone reported a long draw down - lucky for you that the force is strong. Lucky for me that I keep counsel with the goat.
You are in the counsel of a ton of folk -- http://www.greencoffeebuyingclub.com/index.php?topic=7057.0 (http://www.greencoffeebuyingclub.com/index.php?topic=7057.0)
We went on an absolutely, unbelievable rip with pourovers. There was tons to learn but it ended up with Hario and Beehouse for me, with Cones or Melitta whites. Fantastic coffee.
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She wasn't in the mood for chili seasoned plantain chips? ;D
About the cone - Over on CG someone reported a long draw down - lucky for you that the force is strong. Lucky for me that I keep counsel with the goat.
Put chile' on anything and I'll eat it. Not chili as in con carne chile' as in hot peppers/sauce.
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That is insufficient drainage, IMO. YMMV.
There may only be one way to rock but there there are many ways to pour.
Who says you have to over pour the drainage capability?
Not that I've tried this cone or the one you drilled but....just sayin'.
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That is insufficient drainage, IMO. YMMV.
There may only be one way to rock but there there are many ways to pour.
Who says you have to over pour the drainage capability?
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There are MANY ways to pour, some of them FAIL.
I shoot for a 2.15- 2.30 min pour on the B|House or the Hario. Both have adequate drainage. If I dawdle, I hit 3.00 min and I remember to pick it up the next time. I am conscious of water temp.
If memory serves me, I tried pacing the pour on the Frieling Cilio. I always was drowning the bean. It would not keep up. I went after it once, on a liter thermos, focusing on letting it keep up. I ran close to 6 minutes. It did better at smaller volumes. My concern was temperature of the water (convenience comes into play as well). That is why I asked Peter to drill it out. For kicks, I have 40 oz heating in a pourover kettle in the kitchen. I will walk it through a temp measuring, without coffees or pours
1) start with temp at 1 minute off boil, to mimic the initial pour
2) measure temp at 3:00
3) measure temp again at 6 minute mark
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1) start with temp at 1.00 minute off boil, to mimic the initial pour
2) measure temp at 3:00
3) measure temp again at 6 minute mark
1) 200*
2) 188* at 3 minutes (temp of remaining water in kettle)
3) 142* at 6 minutes (temp of the last 1/2 cup of water in the kettle)
For me, the longer you go, the further away from the 192-195* mark, or whatever the golden number is. The drift after 3 minutes is exponential as the mass is diminishing and doesn't serve as insulation. I am aware that this doesn't account for the mass into which I am pouring but it does indicate a temp with which I am pouring that I don't want as my extraction addition after the 3 minute mark.
Additionally, I know of no prep that tastes good at a 6 min prep, the Frieling's rate, as presented <I don't drink cold coffee so I am unfamiliar with that prep>. I think they designed the one-holers 40 years ago and are just sticking with the design. Forget the advances that have been made in specialty coffee. "It was good enough for Großpapa" mentality.
Just an opinion. Your mileage will vary. Below, I tossed in the Hario 2 vs the Frieling (pre-drill). You tell me which one you want above your thermos?
B|Java
PS, I don't like rock.
(http://www.greencoffeebuyingclub.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=7057.0;attach=7384;image)
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I'll take either or both, plus the cheese. 8)
I feel like I can remember a time before the Hario came out and the clever dripper was being sold that the claim was the three hole cones drained too fast. You should either block some holes or get a dripper to hold a longer dwell time. And then the Hario came along with a gigantic hole in it. ;D
All I am saying is that in addition to the number/size of holes in a cone the pour style is a dictating factor in brew times.
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I'll take either or both, plus the cheese. 8)
Rock on.
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Rock on.
I've lived by that code for good stretch....so far.