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Title: Bonavita Electric Pourover Kettle: Traveling Road Show and Tell
Post by: BoldJava on November 16, 2011, 05:29:10 AM
Next - Bonavita Electric Kettle, 1 liter (33 oz).  Sign up and see if you win.  Kettle will be ordered if we hit 4 entrants.  I will post up a review once we close out those who want to enter the drawing.




Entrants:
1.  BoldJava
2.  Yakster, paid
3.  RFeuker, paid
4.  HC4U, paid

5.  HGR, paid
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8.  RobertL, paid
9.  WildBill (J.Jireh Roasters), paid
10. Milowebailey, paid
skipped by request
7.  Coffeefanaddict, paid (rearranged for convenience)
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Winner:  6.  BLZRFN, paid[/list]
Title: Re: Electric Pourover Kettle, Traveling Road Show
Post by: EricBNC on November 16, 2011, 03:47:52 PM
I had the chance to play with one of these - the balance is very good and the control felt equal to the Buono. I like the "no burn" knuckle protection better than the handle design on the Buono too. 
Title: Re: Electric Pourover Kettle, Traveling Road Show
Post by: BoldJava on November 17, 2011, 05:07:57 AM
Got a note from the Chicago shop -- items are in customs in California.  If we hit 4 entrants, I will re-order one. 

B|Java
Title: Re: Electric Pourover Kettle, Traveling Road Show
Post by: rfeuker on November 17, 2011, 05:18:17 AM
Count me in.  If I love it, it goes right on the CHristmas list.  Don't get me started on my luck.
Title: Re: Electric Pourover Kettle, Traveling Road Show
Post by: BoldJava on November 17, 2011, 05:30:53 AM
Luck?  "Just tell yourself, Duckie, you're really quite lucky..."  Dr. Seuss

That's 3.  Need a 4th.

B|Java
Title: Re: Electric Pourover Kettle, Traveling Road Show
Post by: headchange4u on November 17, 2011, 06:20:28 AM
I was on the fence...but I guess we only live once. Sign me up.
Title: Re: Electric Pourover Kettle, Traveling Road Show
Post by: BoldJava on November 17, 2011, 06:35:23 AM
I was on the fence...but I guess we only live once. Sign me up.

All I have to do is whisper pourover or vacpot and HeadChange comes running through the back gate. <gr>

B|Java
Title: Re: Electric Pourover Kettle, Traveling Road Show
Post by: blzrfn on November 17, 2011, 08:12:53 AM
Us Daves have to stick together.  Count me in for this beauty.  Guess I should go buy a pourover brewer while I am at it.  I'll tell my wife it's the other Dave's fault!
Title: Re: Electric Pourover Kettle, Traveling Road Show
Post by: coffeefanaddict on November 17, 2011, 04:16:27 PM
I would like in on this one. I am tired of waiting for the buono electric.

Troy
Title: Re: Electric Pourover Kettle, Traveling Road Show
Post by: BoldJava on November 17, 2011, 04:19:05 PM
We are up to 7.  They are drop shipping from the West coast this evening.  Should be on the porch by next Thursday.

Room for 3 more.

B|Java
Title: Re: Electric Pourover Kettle, Traveling Road Show
Post by: RobertL on November 17, 2011, 04:25:02 PM
I can't resist make it eight I'm in!
Title: Re: Electric Pourover Kettle, Traveling Road Show
Post by: BoldJava on November 17, 2011, 04:53:28 PM
Entrants:
1.  BoldJava
2.  Yakster
3.  RFeuker
4.  HC4U
5.  HGR
6.  BLZRN
7.  Coffeefanaddict
8.  RobertL

Room for 2 more and it is SRO.

B|Java
Title: Re: Electric Pourover Kettle, Traveling Road Show
Post by: BoldJava on November 18, 2011, 05:44:32 AM
Got a note from Buzz Coffee in Chicago, through whom I purchased the unit:  "You can take pride in the fact that you are the very first retail purchaser of a Bonavita Kettle in North America!"

There you have it, GCBC.  Officially, we are "1st on the Block."

B|Java
Title: Re: Electric Pourover Kettle, Traveling Road Show
Post by: Warrior372 on November 18, 2011, 07:08:01 AM
You should get it inscribed with 1 of .... :)
Title: Re: Electric Pourover Kettle, Traveling Road Show
Post by: BoldJava on November 19, 2011, 09:53:59 AM
Two to close this out.  If we get no more takers, I will close this out on Sat, Nov 26.

B|Java
Title: Re: Electric Pourover Kettle, Traveling Road Show
Post by: J.Jirehs Roaster on November 19, 2011, 11:17:51 AM
I'm in.. when do you wan't the $
Title: Re: Electric Pourover Kettle, Traveling Road Show
Post by: BoldJava on November 19, 2011, 11:22:54 AM
I'm in.. when do you wan't the $

When I close it out.

B|Java


Entrants:
1.  BoldJava
2.  Yakster
3.  RFeuker
4.  HC4U
5.  HGR
6.  BLZRN
7.  Coffeefanaddict
8.  RobertL
9.  WildBill (J.J.Roasters)
Title: Re: Electric Pourover Kettle, Traveling Road Show
Post by: milowebailey on November 19, 2011, 11:42:43 AM
ok, I'm in... if I don't win I'll probably buy one anyway... that's why I wasn't in earlier.  BTW I did see these at Coffee Fest.  They work great, and as a teaser...... there it a PID version that will be out in early 2012 (adjustable temperature)
Title: Re: All Slots Taken, Electric Kettle Traveling Road Show
Post by: BoldJava on November 19, 2011, 11:53:52 AM
It's a wrap.  10 it is.  Send along $6.50 to dave at sidewalkmystic dot com.

Thanks, B|Java
Title: Re: All Slots Taken, Electric Kettle Traveling Road Show
Post by: RobertL on November 19, 2011, 12:40:13 PM
It's a wrap.  10 it is.  Send along $6.50 to dave at sidewalkmystic dot com.

Thanks, B|Java

Thanks Robert.
Title: Re: All Slots Taken: Electric Pourover Kettle, Traveling Road Show
Post by: BoldJava on November 20, 2011, 04:51:49 AM
I have asked Jim Spain to have his wife pick a number, 1-10.  I will post our winner this evening, shifting the shipping order so that the winner goes last and keeps the kettle.

B|Java
Title: Re: Electric Pourover Kettle, Traveling Road Show
Post by: jbviau on November 20, 2011, 11:19:49 AM
ok, I'm in... if I don't win I'll probably buy one anyway... that's why I wasn't in earlier.  BTW I did see these at Coffee Fest.  They work great, and as a teaser...... there it a PID version that will be out in early 2012 (adjustable temperature)

Any idea on price for the PID-controlled kettle and/or other details? Sounds great! Though I'd probably be happy with the plain old electric as well.

p.s. First post here, I believe. Hi, all! I don't roast my own *yet*, but I'm headed in that direction.
Title: Re: All Slots Taken: Electric Pourover Kettle, Traveling Road Show
Post by: BoldJava on November 20, 2011, 11:34:09 AM
...

Any idea on price for the PID-controlled kettle and/or other details? Sounds great! Though I'd probably be happy with the plain old electric as well.

p.s. First post here, I believe. Hi, all! I don't roast my own *yet*, but I'm headed in that direction.

Welcome.

PID? Not a clue.

Don't make it your last.  Grab a cup and hang around.
Title: Re: All Slots Taken: Electric Pourover Kettle, Traveling Road Show
Post by: jbviau on November 20, 2011, 12:22:13 PM
Thanks! Will do. Now, how to get that "I Love me a Good cup of Starbucks" business out of my profile? Seems like a good incentive for new members to start contributing right away (assuming post count is relevant)...  ;)
Title: Re: All Slots Taken: Electric Pourover Kettle, Traveling Road Show
Post by: blzrfn on November 20, 2011, 12:46:09 PM
money sent - thanks Dave
Title: Re: All Slots Taken: Electric Pourover Kettle, Traveling Road Show
Post by: BoldJava on November 20, 2011, 07:23:51 PM
I asked Jim Spain to have his wife pick a number, 1-10, for us.

>>>
"Dave,  The boss says "6"  jim..."
>>>

6 it is; BLZRFN wins.  Order is:


Entrants:
1.  BoldJava
2.  Yakster, paid
3.  RFeuker, paid
4.  HC4U, paid
5.  HGR, paid
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7.  Coffeefanaddict, paid
8.  RobertL, paid
9.  WildBill (J.Jireh Roasters), paid
10. Milowebailey, paid
-----
Winner:  6.  BLZRFN, paid
Title: Re: All Slots Taken: Electric Pourover Kettle, Traveling Road Show
Post by: EricBNC on November 20, 2011, 08:19:55 PM
Thanks! Will do. Now, how to get that "I Love me a Good cup of Starbucks" business out of my profile? Seems like a good incentive for new members to start contributing right away (assuming post count is relevant)...  ;)

 Make it go away? I am trying yo get mine back! ;D

Welcome to the forum Josh, it's exciting to hear you are interested in home roasting too.
Title: Re: All Slots Taken: Electric Pourover Kettle, Traveling Road Show
Post by: blzrfn on November 20, 2011, 09:22:10 PM
Looks like I'm gonna have to ask Santa for that Beehouse pour over for Christmas as this kettle is too fancy for my current arsenal of coffee toys.  Thanks for organizing this Dave!
Title: Re: All Slots Taken: Electric Pourover Kettle, Traveling Road Show
Post by: BoldJava on November 21, 2011, 07:16:03 AM
...


Oh so close.....wait, his name is Dave too. :')

That's just why I keep the number pulling at arm's length <grins>.  If you think I was going to let a Gopher win this, boy...

B|Java
Title: Re: All Slots Taken: Electric Pourover Kettle, Traveling Road Show
Post by: EricBNC on November 22, 2011, 05:41:59 PM
I held back on the road show because I was told one of these would be heading my way shortly and this came to pass.  I will hold off on comments till the group gets rolling with it unless someone has a specific question - I am only 2 cups in so far so I am not an expert by any means.

(http://i44.tinypic.com/4r6j9x.jpg)
Title: Re: All Slots Taken: Electric Pourover Kettle, Traveling Road Show
Post by: BoldJava on November 22, 2011, 06:09:20 PM
I held back on the road show because I was told one of these would be heading my way shortly and this came to pass.  I will hold off on comments till the group gets rolling with it unless someone has a specific question - I am only 2 cups in so far so I am not an expert by any means.


Speak up.  The thread is for the board, not just those holding the tickets to the kettle.  Thanks, B|Java
Title: Re: All Slots Taken: Electric Pourover Kettle, Traveling Road Show
Post by: BoldJava on November 23, 2011, 02:51:07 AM
The kettle hit the porch last night.  I will put it through its paces and present a '1st look,' and get it headed out west to Yakster.

B|Java
Title: Re: All Slots Taken: Electric Pourover Kettle, Traveling Road Show
Post by: BoldJava on November 27, 2011, 08:41:46 AM
Bonavita Electric 1L Kettle: 1st look

Manufacturer:  Bonavita
Cost:  Electric, $49.99; Stovetop model, $29.99 - shipping $13.62
Model Reviewed:  Electric
Purchased at:  www.buzzkillerespresso.com (http://www.buzzkillerespresso.com), Chicago
Similar items owned:  Hario Buono V60, Paico Stovetop
Quality:  8
Usability:  7 (handle)
Cost vs value:  10
Aesthetics:  9
Overall:  10 (Cost vs value trumps all with this unit, particularly in comparison to Hario)


Pro:
1.  Heats 1 liter to boil in 6:05 minutes
2.  Superb pouring spout. 
3.  Attractive
4.  Cost
5.  Swivels nicely on the base, 360*
6.  Light in the hand - easy to control
7.  Heating element is recessed, below the metal base
8.  No plastic in contact with water - 100% SS

Con
1.  Handle is awkward
2.  Interior spout design - leaves water behind
3.  Max water level hidden inside
4.  Electrical base feels cheap


Observations:
Buying Experience:  BuzzKillerEspresso was responsive, shipped right when they said it would.  I love that their cart has a "shipping estimate" BEFORE you fill out 20 tons of personal information.  Good experience - will visit their shop when we visit Chicago for Christmas shopping.

Final summary: Buy it. 


Despite the slight design issues, this kettle is a value.  For the same prices as a Hario V60 stovetop kettle, you can purchase the Bonavita electric kettle.  Its pouring tip is superior to the Hario.  For myself, when I want a liter of water, I use a stovetop (Bonavita's is $30; Hario's is $47-$55 and dropping).  Either electric or stovetop, this is a "thumbs up."  If you have a pourover set-up but need a kettle, this is the one you want.

Kettle will be off to Yakster in the morning.

B|Java
Title: Re: All Slots Taken: Electric Pourover Kettle, Traveling Road Show
Post by: BoldJava on November 27, 2011, 08:44:25 AM
Out of the box (WildBill's 11-oz cup for proportionality)
Title: Re: All Slots Taken: Electric Pourover Kettle, Traveling Road Show
Post by: BoldJava on November 27, 2011, 08:44:47 AM
Sharp on the shelf
Title: Re: All Slots Taken: Electric Pourover Kettle, Traveling Road Show
Post by: BoldJava on November 27, 2011, 08:46:18 AM
<Musical interlude>

The three kings of kettles are:
Paico, Bonavita, and Hario


</musical interlude>
Title: Re: All Slots Taken: Electric Pourover Kettle, Traveling Road Show
Post by: BoldJava on November 27, 2011, 08:51:12 AM
Pouring tips compared:

Bonavita, Hario and Paico (midnite, 1:30, and 3:00)
Title: Re: All Slots Taken: Electric Pourover Kettle, Traveling Road Show
Post by: BoldJava on November 27, 2011, 08:52:57 AM
Where is the water level?
Title: Re: All Slots Taken: Electric Pourover Kettle, Traveling Road Show
Post by: BoldJava on November 27, 2011, 09:00:17 AM
Unusual handle design that didn't work for me.
Title: Re: All Slots Taken: Electric Pourover Kettle, Traveling Road Show
Post by: BoldJava on November 27, 2011, 09:46:47 AM
Bold| Java, no need to rush it off to me, feel free to try it over several days if you like.
...

Done, nothing else to learn.  Czarina gave me one of those looks when it hit the porch.  Need to get the wrinkle out of the brow.
Title: Re: Bonavita Electric Pourover Kettle: Traveling Road Show and Tell
Post by: EricBNC on November 28, 2011, 01:53:43 PM
Good review Dave - I get a little faster boiling time though with mine - I timed 1 liter (up to mark in kettle) 72 degree F water from start to finish when the light cuts out - it took five minutes and forty seconds for me.
Title: Re: Bonavita Electric Pourover Kettle: Traveling Road Show and Tell
Post by: BoldJava on November 28, 2011, 01:55:18 PM
Good review Dave - I get a little faster boiling time though with mine - I timed 1 liter (up to mark in kettle) 72 degree F water from start to finish when the light cuts out - it took five minutes and forty seconds for me.

Time moves much more slowly in the Upper Midwest <w n' g>.



B|Java

Title: Re: Bonavita Electric Pourover Kettle: Traveling Road Show and Tell
Post by: EricBNC on November 29, 2011, 01:43:58 AM
I was thinking about the thumb guard and your dislike of it - I am guessing it is there for a reason so I played around pouring some tea and discovered this:

The thumb indention that gets in the way of Dave's bear paw of a hand is a useful feature for me since I can support the less than full kettle (I fill it half full for my single cup needs) by balancing the kettle on my thumb at the finger guard - instead of 4 fingers inside the handle loop I only have one thumb (imagine the motion used to turn a door knob) - this method still gives the controlled pour I want but is easier on the wrist.
Title: Re: Bonavita Electric Pourover Kettle: Traveling Road Show and Tell
Post by: BoldJava on November 29, 2011, 04:15:19 AM
...

The thumb indention that gets in the way of Dave's bear paw of a hand is a useful feature for me since I can support the less than full kettle (I fill it half full for my single cup needs) by balancing the kettle on my thumb at the finger guard - instead of 4 fingers inside the handle loop I only have one thumb (imagine the motion used to turn a door knob) - this method still gives the controlled pour I want but is easier on the wrist.



Yakster is a scientist -- I will let him figure this maneuver out and take a picture for us.  Kettle is in western Nebraska by now...


(http://www.leptonic.com/skip/Shoreline04/I80inNB.jpg)
Title: Re: Bonavita Electric Pourover Kettle: Traveling Road Show and Tell
Post by: EricBNC on November 29, 2011, 02:24:30 PM
Here is a visual of my technique:

(http://i44.tinypic.com/2cru5ww.jpg)
Title: Re: Bonavita Electric Pourover Kettle: Traveling Road Show and Tell
Post by: BoldJava on November 29, 2011, 02:41:02 PM
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Here is a visual of my technique:

First is was JeffO raising his pinky whenever he cups; now Eric introduces the "thumb pour."  I can't stand it <howling>.

Do you think it was *designed* to be used that way or are you just going with the flow?
Title: Re: Bonavita Electric Pourover Kettle: Traveling Road Show and Tell
Post by: EricBNC on November 29, 2011, 03:15:29 PM
I really think for a dribble pour the balance on the thumb technique is easier to manipulate - no idea if this was the intention of the design but it seems easier to make small adjustments to the stream flow by rotating my wrist rather than lifting my elbow and turning my wrist down like I do when pouring from my Aroma AWK kettle - of course with the Aroma speedy pouring is the name of the game - more like a paint roller compared to the artist's brush that is the Bonavita spout.
Title: Re: Bonavita Electric Pourover Kettle: Traveling Road Show and Tell
Post by: peter on November 29, 2011, 03:50:37 PM
With those hairy arms and opposable thumbs, I'm wondering if you aren't just monkeying around.
Title: Re: Bonavita Electric Pourover Kettle: Traveling Road Show and Tell
Post by: EricBNC on November 29, 2011, 04:18:42 PM
You can't see it in the photo but my hairy pinky is extended. ;D

(http://www.mentalfloss.com/blogs/wp-content/uploads/2010/04/shaka.jpg)

Title: Re: Bonavita Electric Pourover Kettle: Traveling Road Show and Tell
Post by: EricBNC on December 01, 2011, 10:23:14 AM
I feel you Chris, Peter makes me feel so ashamed of my coat.
Title: Re: Bonavita Electric Pourover Kettle: Traveling Road Show and Tell
Post by: BoldJava on December 01, 2011, 11:36:35 AM
...
I could be dribbling away with it tonight. . .

Wait till you hit 60...
Title: Re: Bonavita Electric Pourover Kettle: Traveling Road Show and Tell
Post by: peter on December 01, 2011, 12:57:10 PM
I feel you Chris, Peter makes me feel so ashamed of my coat pelt.

FIFY    ;D
Title: Re: Bonavita Electric Pourover Kettle: Traveling Road Show and Tell
Post by: milowebailey on December 01, 2011, 01:29:13 PM
Here is a visual of my technique:


With the king of pop now gone, I wonder if B|thriller is still using his white glove technique?

http://www.greencoffeebuyingclub.com/index.php?topic=9099.msg139444#msg139444 (http://www.greencoffeebuyingclub.com/index.php?topic=9099.msg139444#msg139444)

and here is Sir Peter's pinky extension technique.
Title: Re: Bonavita Electric Pourover Kettle: Traveling Road Show and Tell
Post by: BoldJava on December 01, 2011, 02:54:12 PM
Out for delivery!

I could be dribbling away with it tonight.  Woot!

Dec 1, 2011 2:04 PM
Delivered
San Jose, CALeft at front door. Signature Service not requested.


Less than 48 hours from Wisc to San Jose - FedEx is keeping the shoots open.
Title: Re: Bonavita Electric Pourover Kettle: Traveling Road Show and Tell
Post by: EricBNC on December 02, 2011, 06:00:02 PM
Prima Coffee is giving one of these away - tweet about it to enter.

http://prima-coffee.com/blog/win-free-bonavita-electric-kettle (http://prima-coffee.com/blog/win-free-bonavita-electric-kettle)

I notice in the product photo on the Prima Coffee site they use one of the top three holes in the kettle's lid to rest an analog thermometer - looks cool like that!   
Title: Re: Bonavita Electric Pourover Kettle: Traveling Road Show and Tell
Post by: mp on December 03, 2011, 05:58:20 AM
I guess if you "face" it, it doesn't count?

 :)
Title: Re: Bonavita Electric Pourover Kettle: Traveling Road Show and Tell
Post by: BoldJava on December 03, 2011, 07:44:26 AM
When it's my turn, do I have to wear my boxers backwards?

Not touching that...
Title: Re: Bonavita Electric Pourover Kettle: Traveling Road Show and Tell
Post by: peter on December 03, 2011, 08:44:44 AM
When it's my turn, do I have to wear my boxers backwards?

I've often wondered why you're always smiling.  Now I know.
Title: Re: Bonavita Electric Pourover Kettle: Traveling Road Show and Tell
Post by: BoldJava on December 03, 2011, 08:50:53 AM
When it's my turn, do I have to wear my boxers backwards?

I've often wondered why you're always smiling.  Now I know.

I had several lines typed out, all right out of a '30s vaudeville act.  But I knew they wouldn't play on the East/West coasts so I just moved along.  I figured the guy from Minnesota would go there with the discussion.
Title: Re: Bonavita Electric Pourover Kettle: Traveling Road Show and Tell
Post by: rfeuker on December 13, 2011, 09:25:14 AM
Bob,

FedEx reports it's been delivered (finally).  Long haul from the Left Coast to the East Coast.  It actually appears to have been delivered a day early.

Great!  I'll break it out and use it for my after dinner pourover this evening.  Still time to ask Santa for one if I love it.
Title: Re: Bonavita Electric Pourover Kettle: Traveling Road Show and Tell
Post by: rfeuker on December 14, 2011, 09:23:33 AM
Kettle was on the porch last night as promised, and I opened and used it right away.  My comparisons are to the Pino electric kettle I've been using for a few months.

1.  Appearance - right out of box the Bonavita is a winner here.  Its brushed metal look is very cool.  Advantage Bonavita.

2.  Material - the all metal construction of the Bonavita is also a clear advantage.  No plastic touches the water.  Pino has a plastic body.

3.  Capacity - 1 liter vs. 1.5 for the Pino.  Advantage Pino.

4.  Speed  - boiled a liter of water in both simultaneously.  Bonavita was marginally faster (maybe 20 seconds).  No advantage for either.

5.  Controls - the On/Off switch on the Bonavita is much more user friendly.  I usually have to use two hands to turn on the Pino.  One to hold the kettle (for stability) and one to push the switch.  Advantage Bonavita.

6.  Temp Stability - Pino keeps the water at the set temperature (more or less), Bonavita has no option to choose a temperature - it's boil or nothing.  Once it boils it shuts off. - Advantage Pino.

7.  Convenience - my major use for this kettle will be heating water for pour over coffee prep.  With its' long-necked spout and (relatively) small opening the Bonavita lends itself to this very nicely.  With the Pino, I need to transfer the heated water to a Hario kettle for pour over.  On the other hand, the Hario spout is better than Bonavita's.  Advantage Bonavita.

So overall I give the nod to the Bonavita in 5 of the seven categiries.  I'm pretty sure that capacity will not be an issue for me, but I will do my larger pourovers this weekend to be sure.  I also don't think temp stability is a big issue.  So bottom line is I think I will be asking Santa to bring me a Bonavita kettle.


Title: Re: Bonavita Electric Pourover Kettle: Traveling Road Show and Tell
Post by: mp on December 14, 2011, 02:34:27 PM
What is a Pino?

 ???
Title: Re: Bonavita Electric Pourover Kettle: Traveling Road Show and Tell
Post by: BoldJava on December 14, 2011, 02:41:16 PM
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2.  Material - the all metal construction of the Bonavita is also a clear advantage.  No plastic touches the water.  Pino has a plastic body.

Bob, my Pino is all metal, with no plastic touching the water.  I wonder if Pino used to be made with some interior plastic?  None now.

Quote
With the Pino, I need to transfer the heated water to a Hario kettle for pour over.  On the other hand, the Hario spout is better than Bonavita's.  Advantage Bonavita.

I have been pushed for time in the morning lately.  I have been warming 2 oz in the Paiko while doing 1.5 liters in the Pino.  8 minutes in the Pino, start to finish.  With the Paiko then preheated, I pour the boiled water from the Pino to the Paiko for the pourover brew.  I find the Paiko and the Bonavita spouts both superior to the Hario's.

B|Java



Title: Re: Bonavita Electric Pourover Kettle: Traveling Road Show and Tell
Post by: Richdel on December 14, 2011, 07:39:37 PM
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Quote from: rfeuker on Today at 12:23:33 PM
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2.  Material - the all metal construction of the Bonavita is also a clear advantage.  No plastic touches the water.  Pino has a plastic body.

Bob, my Pino is all metal, with no plastic touching the water.  I wonder if Pino used to be made with some interior plastic?  None now.

My Pino kettle is all metal as well, specifically the part of the kettle that touches the water.  There is some plastic on the kettle at the very bottom of the base where the kettle and the base meet.

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5.  Controls - the On/Off switch on the Bonavita is much more user friendly.  I usually have to use two hands to turn on the Pino.  One to hold the kettle (for stability) and one to push the switch.  Advantage Bonavita.

Not sure I understand why you would have to use two hand.  I push the "+" button with my finger, then push the "on/off" with my finger.  Kettle started, goes to 205dgf, then holds for as long as there is water in the kettle.  If I don't push the "+" button before I push the "on/off" button, then kettle goes to 212dgf and keeps that temp until the water runs out.  Not sure how this might be an advantage for Bonavita or why you use two hands, unless the base for the kettle is not resting on a flat/level surface?

Good luck with either unit you get for Christmas.  I love the Pino kettle, although I do wish it had a better spout.
Title: Re: Bonavita Electric Pourover Kettle: Traveling Road Show and Tell
Post by: Ron_L on December 15, 2011, 04:41:10 AM
The best part of these traveling road shows is the witty repartee in the thread  :D

The next best thing is being able to get the opinions of multiple people on a piece of equipment.  Keep it going, guys!

3.  Capacity - 1 liter vs. 1.5 for the Pino.  Advantage Pino.

When I do pour over it's almost always just for me, so even 1 liter is too much.  Can someone along the way test to see how the kettle handles a smaller amount of water, say 16 oz.?  I have one of the old design Bodum Mini Ibis kettles that holds up to 27 oz. but the sensor for the auto shutoff is pretty high up in the pot and I need to heat at least 20 oz. for that to work.  It's just water, but I feel like I'm wasting good filtered water :)
Title: Re: Bonavita Electric Pourover Kettle: Traveling Road Show and Tell
Post by: rfeuker on December 15, 2011, 05:35:45 AM
What is a Pino?

 ???

Should be obvious by now from following posts, but a Pino is another electric kettle.
Title: Re: Bonavita Electric Pourover Kettle: Traveling Road Show and Tell
Post by: EricBNC on December 15, 2011, 07:30:07 AM
When I do pour over it's almost always just for me, so even 1 liter is too much.  Can someone along the way test to see how the kettle handles a smaller amount of water, say 16 oz.?  I have one of the old design Bodum Mini Ibis kettles that holds up to 27 oz. but the sensor for the auto shutoff is pretty high up in the pot and I need to heat at least 20 oz. for that to work.  It's just water, but I feel like I'm wasting good filtered water :)
Ambient temp 75 F, starting water (H2O) temp 70 F, 16 fl oz. 

First Sounds of heating occur at 27 seconds.

Time to boiling/kettle auto shut off: 3:28 and water (H2O) temp measures 212 F.

Cool down times:

2:00 209 F
2:20 208 F
2:40 307 F
3:00 206 F
3:15 205 F
3:40 204 F
4:05 203 F
4:28 202 F
4:50 201 F
5:14 200 F

It takes a while for the water (H2O) to cool down in the kettle but the stream is exposed to air during the pour which will cool temps quickly. If you finish you pour over inside 3:30 seconds temps should remain in a good range to facilitate extraction.

By the way, H2O is what us scientific types call water... ;D
Title: Re: Bonavita Electric Pourover Kettle: Traveling Road Show and Tell
Post by: Ron_L on December 15, 2011, 07:38:17 AM
Thanks, Eric!
Title: Re: Bonavita Electric Pourover Kettle: Traveling Road Show and Tell
Post by: rfeuker on December 15, 2011, 07:55:57 AM
When I do pour over it's almost always just for me, so even 1 liter is too much.  Can someone along the way test to see how the kettle handles a smaller amount of water, say 16 oz.?  I have one of the old design Bodum Mini Ibis kettles that holds up to 27 oz. but the sensor for the auto shutoff is pretty high up in the pot and I need to heat at least 20 oz. for that to work.  It's just water, but I feel like I'm wasting good filtered water :)
Ambient temp 75 F, starting water (H2O) temp 70 F, 16 fl oz. 

First Sounds of heating occur at 27 seconds.

Time to boiling/kettle auto shut off: 3:28 and water (H2O) temp measures 212 F.

Cool down times:

2:00 209 F
2:20 208 F
2:40 307 F
3:00 206 F
3:15 205 F
3:40 204 F
4:05 203 F
4:28 202 F
4:50 201 F
5:14 200 F

It takes a while for the water (H2O) to cool down in the kettle but the stream is exposed to air during the pour which will cool temps quickly. If you finish you pour over inside 3:30 seconds temps should remain in a good range to facilitate extraction.

By the way, H2O is what us scientific types call water... ;D

Confirmed.  I did 16 oz. in the Bonavita this morning to do my 12 oz. pour over.  Time to boil was 3:25.
Title: Re: Bonavita Electric Pourover Kettle: Traveling Road Show and Tell
Post by: rfeuker on December 15, 2011, 08:06:37 AM
Answers to some of the follow up comments:

The Pino has no plastic in contact with the water (or the H20 for that matter).  Boiling water and plastic kettle walls might make a nice puddle of molten plastic on my countertop  :).  The Pino is just feels lighter and less solidly built even though it's bigger and has more electronics.  Maybe I should have said the Bonavita has a more substantial look/feel to it.  See that positive spin?

Two hands to turn on - this is likely just me and the way my wife keeps our granite countertops polished.  When I push the On/Off switch on the Pino it tends to slide across the counter (just a little it's not flying) rather than turn on.  I need to hold it to keep it still.

I used the Bonavita again this morning.  I like it.  It's a good product - not perfect but certainly good enough for me.  Perfect would have a little more capacity, temp indicator, and ability to hold the water at a designated temp.  Those are not deal breakers for me by any means.  I'm buying one.



Title: Re: Bonavita Electric Pourover Kettle: Traveling Road Show and Tell
Post by: blzrfn on January 02, 2012, 12:32:23 PM
Bumping back to page 1
Title: Re: Bonavita Electric Pourover Kettle: Traveling Road Show and Tell
Post by: BoldJava on January 02, 2012, 12:38:35 PM
Let's find out who has the kettle and where it goes next.  Maybe we are already on course?
Title: Re: Bonavita Electric Pourover Kettle: Traveling Road Show and Tell
Post by: headchange4u on January 02, 2012, 01:05:50 PM
Maybe we are already on course?

Yes sir. Kettle left me hands today, on its way to HGR.

I liked the kettle a lot. In fact it came to me just as my old Saeco kettle bit the dust. I just got a new Pino kettle to replace the Saeco and I liked the Bonavita better. I won't own another kettle that does not have some sort of temperature holding capability like the Saeco or Pino. But I have just gotten to used to having that feature to be without it now. If the Bonavita had that capability the Pino would be going back.
Title: Re: Bonavita Electric Pourover Kettle: Traveling Road Show and Tell
Post by: BoldJava on January 11, 2012, 03:42:52 PM
Coffeefanaddict will be away from home til February and requested it be sent to the next on the list after him. The next tester is RobertL. I'm ready to ship as soon as I get the address.
Curly

Coffeefanaddict will be bumped down one or two spots. Let us know when you are ready for it Troy.

Got it. See list in first post.

B|Java
Title: Re: Bonavita Electric Pourover Kettle: Traveling Road Show and Tell
Post by: RobertL on January 17, 2012, 12:23:17 PM
The kettle arrived safe and sound on my porch today. I opened it and used it immediately my first impressions are good. I like the feel to it if feels sturdy and well made. I didn't time the heat up but by the time I preheated the chemex, weighed my coffee and ground it the kettle was ready.  At first it seemed like it was pouring fast but I think it was because the water was falling from higher up on to the grounds. My usual kettle the Paico lets you get the tip very close to the grounds and pours very gently. The Bonavita is different in that you can't get the tip as close without pouring faster. I'll have to experiment with this but either way I can work with it. The convenience of not having to transfer water from the Pino to the Paico is nice. I will continue to use it for a couple of days and give my final opinion. 
Title: Re: Bonavita Electric Pourover Kettle: Traveling Road Show and Tell
Post by: J.Jirehs Roaster on January 25, 2012, 12:55:04 PM
the Bonavita arrived safe and sound today..

first impression.. smaller than I thought.. handle feels pretty good to me.. I have a lot to learn about pourover but it seams like a good tool for the job..
Title: Re: Bonavita Electric Pourover Kettle: Traveling Road Show and Tell
Post by: RobertL on February 02, 2012, 07:35:01 PM
I've been meaning to post this picture of the Bonavita and Paico. You can see what I was talking about in my last post about the pouring tips. I like the way the Paico pours better than the Bonavita.
Title: Re: Bonavita Electric Pourover Kettle: Traveling Road Show and Tell
Post by: J.Jirehs Roaster on February 06, 2012, 04:51:15 PM
follow up...  its a good kettle..  if my current kettle were to fail I would strongly consider this kettle..   finally got the poor thing headed on its way today...
Title: Re: Bonavita Electric Pourover Kettle: Traveling Road Show and Tell
Post by: RobertL on February 06, 2012, 05:30:20 PM
I've been meaning to post this picture of the Bonavita and Paico. You can see what I was talking about in my last post about the pouring tips. I like the way the Paico pours better than the Bonavita.

Your outlet's crooked.

Dang I never noticed that now my ocd won't let me rest until I straighten it out. Thanks Yakster!
Title: Re: Bonavita Electric Pourover Kettle: Traveling Road Show and Tell
Post by: J.Jirehs Roaster on February 07, 2012, 07:36:16 PM
I've been meaning to post this picture of the Bonavita and Paico. You can see what I was talking about in my last post about the pouring tips. I like the way the Paico pours better than the Bonavita.

Your outlet's crooked.

Dang I never noticed that now my ocd won't let me rest until I straighten it out. Thanks Yakster!

its the grout line not the outlet ;)
Title: Re: Bonavita Electric Pourover Kettle: Traveling Road Show and Tell
Post by: BoldJava on February 12, 2012, 10:16:18 AM
In New Mexico with the next and last stop, Oregon, coming up.

B|Java
Title: Re: Bonavita Electric Pourover Kettle: Traveling Road Show and Tell
Post by: coffeefanaddict on February 12, 2012, 10:49:06 AM
I have used it several times this weekend. I like it. My electric kettle has a stubby spout and isnt well suited for pour over. I also like the smaller size. My wife likes the look. I will end up purchasing one and use the bigger Costco model for cupping.

Troy
Title: Re: Bonavita Electric Pourover Kettle: Traveling Road Show and Tell
Post by: BoldJava on February 12, 2012, 11:04:34 AM
... I like it. My electric kettle has a stubby spout and isnt well suited for pour over. I also like the smaller size. My wife likes the look. I will end up purchasing one and use the bigger Costco model for cupping.

Troy


That's exactly the purpose of these road shows. 
Title: Re: Bonavita Electric Pourover Kettle: Traveling Road Show and Tell
Post by: blzrfn on February 12, 2012, 12:53:21 PM
I bought two pour over brewers in anticipation of adding this new toy to the collection, a V60 and a three hole generic ceramic dripper.  I have been using my press carafe to try and get the hang of the method and while I have gotten good results it is very difficult to control the pour so I can't wait for this kettle to land safe and sound.  Reading all of the mostly positive reviews has fueled this fire even higher and it has seemed like an eternity since Dave announced me as the winner.  One thing is for sure, when the kettle finally makes its way home many beans will be ground, many filters gone through and I will be well caffeinated!  Thanks everybody for making this road show possible!   ;D
Title: Re: Bonavita Electric Pourover Kettle: Traveling Road Show and Tell
Post by: BoldJava on February 15, 2012, 03:10:43 PM
I bought two pour over brewers in anticipation of adding this new toy to the collection...  Thanks everybody for making this road show possible!   ;D

This is classy.  10 guys, who have never met, entrust one another and boom, kettle arrives on 10th guy's porch.  Class act, all!

From CoffeeFanAddict this p.m.

Quote
To complete the process the kettle is on its way to David in Oregon.

That was fun.

Thanks

Troy <CFAddict>
Title: Re: Bonavita Electric Pourover Kettle: Traveling Road Show and Tell
Post by: blzrfn on February 15, 2012, 04:18:36 PM
The kettle is here!  It looks like it has traveled safely and is ready to take up residence at home in the kitchen (until I figure out a wife-approved coffee nook plan).  I will come back with an initial report tomorrow and will try and post back to this thread as I learn how it handles long-term.  This is my first goose neck kettle and I am a bit over-excited to do some brewing.  Its mocking me in its slightly beat up box sitting on my desk.
Title: Re: Bonavita Electric Pourover Kettle: Traveling Road Show and Tell
Post by: blzrfn on February 17, 2012, 12:18:44 PM
Well I haven't used it a ton, too busy I guess.  But the two V60s I've made with it came out way better then when I was using the pitcher to try and control the pour.  I have no other pour kettle to compare this to but I think the only improvements I could think of would be to have a more exaggerated bend on the gooseneck to allow you to get the tip down on top of the grounds and really control the amount of agitation you want and cut the stem flush on the inside so you can pour every last drop easily. 
Title: Re: Bonavita Electric Pourover Kettle: Traveling Road Show and Tell
Post by: blzrfn on February 21, 2012, 12:11:20 PM
I have been able to put this kettle into regular duty and have established a pretty decent list of what I like and don't like about it.

Pros:
Inexpensive (especially for me!)
Easy to control the pour/ feels good in hand
Heats water relatively quickly (less than 8 minutes for 1L from fridge to boiling)
Very easy on the eyes, even the wife gave it the nod

Cons:
I wish it held a bit more than 1L, 1.2 or 1.3L would allow for preheating of the brewing device and still allow a full 1L batch for when I want more than 2 16 ozish cups at a time
The goose-neck spout would benefit from a slightly more exaggerated bend allowing the tip to stay closer to the surface of the coffee slurry
The protruding spout (into the body of the kettle) leaves a small amount of water behind limiting the already smallish size of the kettle.  This is more of an annoyance than a true complaint but worth mentioning again.

Overall I give the Bonavita a B+ and feel no need to buy another pourover kettle (though I would participate in another road show of a different brand).  I have also put the regular teapot that used to sit on top of the stove into storage as even though it had a larger capacity it was slower (electric stove) and the pour was impossible to control (not purchased with pourover brewing in mind). 

As for pourover in general I love the results I have been getting from both the V60 and HIC 3 hole brewer from Amazon.  I will still use the Aeropress and CCD because half the fun is in the variety but I love the addition of the pourover to my arsenal.  Thanks again to all who joined in and Dave in particular for setting this up.   8)
Title: Re: Bonavita Electric Pourover Kettle: Traveling Road Show and Tell
Post by: blzrfn on February 21, 2012, 02:32:36 PM
The original Bonavita box was included, a little worse for wear.  It was packaged inside of another box with Kimberly Clark markings.  I'm not sure if this came from the King Cheesehead himself or if it was re-boxed along the way.  The manual made it as well, but being the alpha (only) male of the household I completely ignored it and went on my merry way brewing and testing. 
Title: Re: Bonavita Electric Pourover Kettle: Traveling Road Show and Tell
Post by: BoldJava on February 21, 2012, 02:35:08 PM
...It was packaged inside of another box with Kimberly Clark markings.  I'm not sure if this came from the King Cheesehead himself ...

Not sure if that was mine.  Sure sounds like something I would pack in, though.

B|Java