Astoria Espresso?

[Monito]

However, I went through a lot of water cycles, I mean a lot...

Did you just open up the water wand and let her rip? Can you explain that?

Yes, correct (here is where I got a lot of dirty water)

I also pull a a lot of blank shots...

Monito

[crholliday]

However, I went through a lot of water cycles, I mean a lot...

Did you just open up the water wand and let her rip? Can you explain that?

Yes, correct (here is where I got a lot of dirty water)

I also pull a a lot of blank shots...

Monito

Ah hah, we are getting closer. How did you get the scale remover into the machine?

Pulling blank shots on an HX machines is only pulling water through the heat exchanger which does not share water with the boiler. So if you sucked descaler in while pulling a shot, it never actually made it into the boiler. If you sucked it in when the autofill kicked on or by using the manual fill lever for the boiler then it would get inside there.

[kwksilver]

Heeeh monito,
if you managed to dump the descaler into the tank, I presume u unscrewed the safety valve on top or something liek that?
(since you fixed the hot water spout with it, i am going to assume you got it into the boiler)

Holliday is quite right to say the boiler is separate from your grouphead/HX circuits.

If you did indeed get descaler into the boiler, you need to get it out carefully.

This is how I do it:

1.) +descaler
2.) boil to temp / run wands and hot water spout a lot.
3.) turn machine off / let cool
4.) open drain plug near water sightglass (don't lose the float)
-there is something important to note here. You may have loosened a lot of hardcore scale if you want to avoid clogging lines on the drain it is often good to leave the water as warm as you can stand it without burning your hands here.

5.) Refill boiler normally
6.) go to step 2.)
7.) loop a few more times.

Lucky for you, you have not drank any descaler unless you used your steam wands :p

Regards,
           Felix

[Monito]

Correct, that is what I did...To my surprise today, my water line finally unclogged with valve opened while pushing the manual filler (lots of water coming out).
But, after boiler started, it clogged again...I guess I can continue do in it, including the sight glass floater.

Yeah, I new about the HX coming from the water line...

Thanks,

Monito

[Monito]

Correct, that is what I did...To my surprise today, my water line finally unclogged with valve opened while pushing the manual filler (lots of water coming out).
But, after boiler started, it clogged again...I guess I can continue do in it, including the sight glass floater.
...snip...

Found out from Astoria that the hot water wand is supposed to splash water all over the place...

New retail value for a new Astoria just like mine...$5,100 ouch!!! that is Euro for you!

Monito

[kwksilver]

Italian engineering, Passionate :p
Your water spout is very fixable not matter what they tell you.

[Monito]

Italian engineering, Passionate :p
Your water spout is very fixable not matter what they tell you.

We were actually talking about a brand new one, mine was never mentioned...

I want to make it a steam line...

What do you think?

Monito

[crholliday]

Italian engineering, Passionate :p
Your water spout is very fixable not matter what they tell you.

We were actually talking about a brand new one, mine was never mentioned...

I want to make it a steam line...

What do you think?

Monito

You could add a T coupler to the line that supplies your pressure gauge, but you can't use the existing plumbing to make your water wand into a steam wand and have it only produce steam. The T coupler would be a huge PITA though. Why would you want to do this?

[kwksilver]

Whether steam comes out or water is tough to change. Steam leaves by virtue of the pressure in the tank and the fact that the piping ends in the top 1/3 of your tank.

Your water wand draws from near the bottom of the tank, typically right next to an inlet. When you turn the water wand on, notice your pump turning on. Water volume leaving rapidly de-pressurizes the tank (compared to steam leaving), thats why the pump adds water at the same time. The inlet to the tank near your water "exit" has an economizer that determines the mixture of cold and actual hot boiler water that end out of your water spout.

Does that makes sense to you?

So making it a 3rd steam outlet would not make terribly much sense to me. I am a little lost as to what it is NOT doing for you that constitutes the problem.

Are you willing to show an action shot of the spray/dribble/ clog?

I am pretty sure we can fix it in one day of back and forth.

Felix

[Monito]

I was showing my dad my espressos last night and What a beautiful color and flavor...I only tasted "ONE" espresso at SCAA better than mine, "Intelligentsia"...

Monito

[kwksilver]

doesn't that feel great?

Lo and behold it happens without obsessing Scace pressure style, thermocouple temp style or any of that :p


I am very pleased you love that machine!

Felix