Joe's video leaked apparently so here it is......
Brazen Brew System by Behmor Inc. ([url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=otWCirV2yeg#ws[/url])
Joe's video leaked apparently so here it is......
Brazen Brew System by Behmor Inc. ([url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=otWCirV2yeg#ws[/url])
Not me. Sworn to silence.
B|Java
Very interesting.
Any one else enjoy the pronunciation at 2:58.
HoHum...
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Another New & Improved drip pot; how exciting.
I wish I could try it out - I have one of the new Bodum b. over auto drip brewers heading my way - I thought this was vapor ware (still might be) but I can test it head to head against my Bonavita BV-1800. If I could get my hands on one of these Brazen's and a Technivorm too it would make for a great over $100 machine shoot out.
The drip off?
Hmm sounds like the line outside doc's office after the ship leaves Thailand :x
Aaron
I just got a Moccamaster 2 weeks ago....
It was all B|Java's fault.... he posted a link. They were on sale for $195 shipped....and my drip machine (Mrs. Milowebailey uses) was on the fritz.I just got a Moccamaster 2 weeks ago....
Say it ain't so....
Why the heck did you do that?
I just got a Moccamaster 2 weeks ago....
Say it ain't so....
Why the heck did you do that?
HoHum...
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Another New & Improved drip pot; how exciting.
Those pictures of the bed saturation are amazing... something I didn't realize based on the promo material. I think that's one of may big selling points to Gort.
I would really like to try the Rwanda 2012 COE #29 Kagimbanyi Uwimbabazi Margueritte in that brewer.
Those pictures of the bed saturation are amazing... something I didn't realize based on the promo material. I think that's one of may big selling points to Gort.
I would really like to try the Rwanda 2012 COE #29 Kagimbanyi Uwimbabazi Margueritte in that brewer.
Bring some to the booth, we'll be brewing away..
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I get in tomorrow about 2 and will head to the hotel then the hall to drop off roasters and other things. If people are open for it, maybe get together for a bite at some point.. tomorrow evening or Sunday.
Post here or send an email to sales..
So when will we be able to buy one? I was very close to pulling the trigger on a Technivorm I'm glad I waited.
I get in tomorrow about 2 and will head to the hotel then the hall to drop off roasters and other things. If people are open for it, maybe get together for a bite at some point.. tomorrow evening or Sunday.
Post here or send an email to sales..
Joe, join us at the Observatory at 7pm for fish. Please do: [url]http://www.theobservatorypdx.com/[/url] ([url]http://www.theobservatorypdx.com/[/url]). Love to have you. 5-6 of us members are dining.
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I'm flying my Asian rep in from China and so he'd be along as well, if that's OK. Percy (Li Jun) is an absolutely great guy and has been a blessing to both Behmor and me personally.
So when will we be able to buy one? I was very close to pulling the trigger on a Technivorm I'm glad I waited.
I have to sign off on the inspection procedure before we can start production. That will occur the 9th of May and then we can start.. Realistically it'll be the end of June beforeroastersbrewers arrive.
Fixed it for ya!
I get in tomorrow about 2 and will head to the hotel then the hall to drop off roasters and other things. If people are open for it, maybe get together for a bite at some point.. tomorrow evening or Sunday.
Post here or send an email to sales..
Joe, join us at the Observatory at 7pm for fish. Please do: [url]http://www.theobservatorypdx.com/[/url] ([url]http://www.theobservatorypdx.com/[/url]). Love to have you. 5-6 of us members are dining. We have met and I can keep an eye out for you.
B|Java
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I'm flying my Asian rep in from China and so he'd be along as well, if that's OK. Percy (Li Jun) is an absolutely great guy and has been a blessing to both Behmor and me personally.
I think I can speak for the group and welcome you both. Dave
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I'm flying my Asian rep in from China and so he'd be along as well, if that's OK. Percy (Li Jun) is an absolutely great guy and has been a blessing to both Behmor and me personally.
I think I can speak for the group and welcome you both. Dave
Yes, Joe, please join!Look at it this way.... you "get" to try somebody else's roasts... I seldom drink coffee I don't roast.
Sadly, I left my coffee case at work so no home-roast COE or Ethiopia Haro Sana :( but I'm sure Portland will have coffee.
Sadly, I left my coffee case at work
Sadly, I left my coffee case at work
The one thing you forgot....the coffee. ;D ;D
So let us ponder Joe's progression: first a roaster, then a drip brewer, then.......
I predict a grinder.
So let us ponder Joe's progression: first a roaster, then a drip brewer, then.......
I predict a grinder.
...or a roaster with the level of control people have been begging for and upgrading away from their Behmor 1600's to find for far too long now?
I am glad you have a coffee maker, but as a Behmor roaster owner, I would like to see a kit or something to record profiles, temps, etc and give additional control when needed.
...or a roaster with the level of control people have been begging for and upgrading away from their Behmor 1600's to find for far too long now?
I am glad you have a coffee maker, but as a Behmor roaster owner, I would like to see a kit or something to record profiles, temps, etc and give additional control when needed.
Understood but between attorneys, insurance companies, ETL, UL, GS and CE...it ain't all that easy to give users what they want due to a few Darwin Award winner wannabees
When somebody makes an "affordable" (whatever that is) cool grinder capable of espresso and easy switching to drip their name will be imortalized in the espresso hall of fame.
...or a roaster with the level of control people have been begging for and upgrading away from their Behmor 1600's to find for far too long now?
I am glad you have a coffee maker, but as a Behmor roaster owner, I would like to see a kit or something to record profiles, temps, etc and give additional control when needed.
Understood but between attorneys, insurance companies, ETL, UL, GS and CE...it ain't all that easy to give users what they want due to a few Darwin Award winner wannabees
OK, it ain't easy but it ain't impossible either - I hope you sell a million coffee makers and then come back to give attention to what gave you your voice - what are these guys doing that exposes them to any more liability than your current roaster?
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Funniest thing I've ever seen Tahoe post. ;D
Erci..So it wasn't worth your time to try and solve the problem within the current standards, OK, I get it...
I don't think you grasp what I'm saying..it's called grandfathering.. we can do that as the others have or they got in before changes were made to the rules.
It's when it's a new program/ item, rules can change, they are applicable..and if you would stop for a second and read what I'm saying.. They have changed.
Ask yourself why do I know this and these things?
Erci..So it wasn't worth your time to try and solve the problem within the current standards, OK, I get it...
I don't think you grasp what I'm saying..it's called grandfathering.. we can do that as the others have or they got in before changes were made to the rules.
It's when it's a new program/ item, rules can change, they are applicable..and if you would stop for a second and read what I'm saying.. They have changed.
Ask yourself why do I know this and these things?
I don't think you get it.
I don't think you get it.
Help me out then - either a problem is worth solving or it is not. Choices were made and the new upgraded roaster is the same as the original roaster, except now there is a coffee pot sitting next to it.
I am not alone in visualizing the possibilities trapped inside the 1600, but this is not the thread where we should have that discussion - plenty are already around for that.
I don't think you get it.
Help me out then - either a problem is worth solving or it is not. Choices were made and the new upgraded roaster is the same as the original roaster, except now there is a coffee pot sitting next to it.
I am not alone in visualizing the possibilities trapped inside the 1600, but this is not the thread where we should have that discussion - plenty are already around for that.
I'd wager that those issues are solvable within the current regulatory/insurance requirements but probably not at a $300 price point...
It's not my part to enlighten you Eric.
No reason to be snarky Eric.
No reason to be snarky Eric.
Good advice from the head snark.
No reason to be snarky Eric.
Good advice from the head snark.
I wouldn't give that post the time of day, except to encourage you to get a better understanding of snark.
No reason to be snarky Eric.
Good advice from the head snark.
I wouldn't give that post the time of day, except to encourage you to get a better understanding of snark.
Yep, that's exactly what I was referring to - thank you for clarifying the definition of snarky Peter. ;D
No reason to be snarky Eric.
Good advice from the head snark.
I wouldn't give that post the time of day, except to encourage you to get a better understanding of snark.
Yep, that's exactly what I was referring to - thank you for clarifying the definition of snarky Peter. ;D
Then we're good, my mellowing friend.
How is Gort at making less than a full pot on automatic?
Let me try this one more time.
Eric this is nothing against you, we all have our wants and desires..let me do my job, a job I take very seriously
How is Gort at making less than a full pot on automatic?
Tex,
They were only making full pots at the show but it can do less than full pots. Does quality go down on a partial pot? Don't know but I'll be first in line to get one when she hits the market in June/July.
...I've allowed a full pot to sit (testing) for 24 hours, microwave a mug and found it to be still quite good. Then again I'm no Q Cupper either.
...I've allowed a full pot to sit (testing) for 24 hours, microwave a mug and found it to be still quite good. Then again I'm no Q Cupper either.
Joe, tell me you didn't do that. You are yanking our collective chain <grins>...
B|Java
I stumbled across this website, [url]http://brazencoffeebrewer.com/,[/url] ([url]http://brazencoffeebrewer.com/,[/url]) today while seeing if anyone is taking pre-orders for the BraZen. I have to admit that I'm getting antsy and am eager to see this shipping, though I know that any extra time that is taken to make sure that any last minute production problems are ironed out are worth it (speaking from a general production perspective as one working for electronics manufacturers, not with any specific knowledge or speculation regarding the BraZen).
I'm not sure if this is a Behmor website or from a third party, but the website offers a discount code when orders can be placed for the BraZen if you send them an email through the web link with a US address.
It would be nice to see a discount but I can understand fully Joe not wanting to go down that road and just avoid the drama and screeching from the crybabies out there.
Aaron
I would try not to be the crybaby, but... if I was running a retail coffee place, online or B&M, trying to sell goods at retail or close to it, and they guy selling me the goods decides to offer it to hundreds of coffee-geeks at wholesale, I wouldn't be happy either.
I would try not to be the crybaby, but... if I was running a retail coffee place, online or B&M, trying to sell goods at retail or close to it, and they guy selling me the goods decides to offer it to hundreds of coffee-geeks at wholesale, I wouldn't be happy either.
Is the machine in a price restricted distribution system?
I've noticed that certain things like video game systems cost exactly the same no matter where you buy them. Most things are not that strictly price regulated but if Gort is going to be sold exclusively for one rate no matter where you buy it then I understand...
I wasn't going to get a technivorn because it just seemed a bit high to me. When I seen it go on a nice sale at a website, I said, well hell, I always wanted one, and now they are on sale, im gonna get it at that price. Some things I am going to get whether they are on sale or not. Other things I pretty much am not interested in, sale or not.
Aaron
Well Tex, the Behmore was not a 'mainstream' product. In honesty none of this 'stuff' really is. It's a niche item selling to a niche crowd. Not the costco / walmart crowd. He did very well with the behmore selling to a niche crowd, as many other manufacturers did. I don't see how you can justify that the only way to be successful is if mass marketing picks up on it.
Also, how can you say nobody is talking about it, we have been doing so for the past 10 pages, or are your meds wearing off again?
Aaron
Well Tex, the Behmore was not a 'mainstream' product. In honesty none of this 'stuff' really is. It's a niche item selling to a niche crowd. Not the costco / walmart crowd. He did very well with the behmore selling to a niche crowd, as many other manufacturers did. I don't see how you can justify that the only way to be successful is if mass marketing picks up on it.
Also, how can you say nobody is talking about it, we have been doing so for the past 10 pages, or are your meds wearing off again?
Aaron
Tex LOVES him some Costco.
Personally I avoid things from the large box stores. I don't support thier homoginization of quality or thier business practices as a seller or a buyer.
I know that a weber grill at walmart and a weber grill from a "weber grill retailer" are not the same. In order to enter the walmart market quality is sacrificed for price and profit. If it were me buying a new 200 dollar brewer I would avoid box stores and deal with the community that I have developed a relationship with, online or locally. I pay extra for that.
Believe it or not Aaron, every one of us could buy the new brewer and the new operation would still go tits up. And Costco doesn't just do mainstream stuff; they do niche stuff like this ([url]http://www.costco.com/Browse/Product.aspx?Prodid=11708764[/url]) & this ([url]http://www.costco.com/Browse/ProductSet.aspx?Prodid=11762745[/url]).
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Personally I avoid things from the large box stores. I don't support thier homoginization of quality or thier business practices as a seller or a buyer. . . If it were me buying a new 200 dollar brewer I would avoid box stores and deal with the community that I have developed a relationship with, online or locally. I pay extra for that.
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The only way it can become a viable product is to be picked up by a mass seller like Costco, who'll then undercut all other retailers. Maybe by offering deals to members of forums with thousands of members, the product could pick up some marketing momentum; otherwise how many folks are going to shell out a premium price for a machine that so few are talking about?
Believe it or not Aaron, every one of us could buy the new brewer and the new operation would still go tits up. And Costco doesn't just do mainstream stuff; they do niche stuff like this ([url]http://www.costco.com/Browse/Product.aspx?Prodid=11708764[/url]) & this ([url]http://www.costco.com/Browse/ProductSet.aspx?Prodid=11762745[/url]).
I know bose was one of the names that people went goo goo over, they tried to act like bose was 'the' standard. I never did like their stuff, their speakers were very poor performers actually, they gobbled a lot of power for their relative output.
Aaron
I know bose was one of the names that people went goo goo over, they tried to act like bose was 'the' standard. I never did like their stuff, their speakers were very poor performers actually, they gobbled a lot of power for their relative output.
Aaron
Bose stuff sounds great to people who don't know what great sounds like.
behmor: Brazen .. August 23rd to coincide with my 58th..
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I'm gonna highjack this highjack and ask for some opinions on buying a used tuner/receiver for the family room. Our old one is starting to cut out all the time. So if y'all were slumming on craigslist for a good but maybe older tuner what would you be looking for? I'd need to run a CD player and a computer audio out signal to it. Good AM reception would be nice, too.
I'm gonna highjack this highjack and ask for some opinions on buying a used tuner/receiver for the family room. Our old one is starting to cut out all the time. So if y'all were slumming on craigslist for a good but maybe older tuner what would you be looking for? I'd need to run a CD player and a computer audio out signal to it. Good AM reception would be nice, too.
I'm a vintage component fan. Vintage Crown amp DC150 with a IC150 and efficient speakers is all you need..... true analog audio....
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I have a Crown DC150 driving my vintage JBL 18" sub at home.... more base than a 1000 watt set up you can buy new today.
I'm gonna highjack this highjack and ask for some opinions on buying a used tuner/receiver for the family room. Our old one is starting to cut out all the time. So if y'all were slumming on craigslist for a good but maybe older tuner what would you be looking for? I'd need to run a CD player and a computer audio out signal to it. Good AM reception would be nice, too.
I'm a vintage component fan. Vintage Crown amp DC150 with a IC150 and efficient speakers is all you need..... true analog audio....
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I have a Crown DC150 driving my vintage JBL 18" sub at home.... more base than a 1000 watt set up you can buy new today.
I think my early days must have taken a toll on my hearing.
I listened to a Bose wave a few weeks ago and it sounded good to me. The outdoor speakers I liked were also Bose.
I have Starbucks ears...so shameful. :(
I think my early days must have taken a toll on my hearing.
I listened to a Bose wave a few weeks ago and it sounded good to me. The outdoor speakers I liked were also Bose.
I have Starbucks ears...so shameful. :(
I think my early days must have taken a toll on my hearing.
I listened to a Bose wave a few weeks ago and it sounded good to me. The outdoor speakers I liked were also Bose.
I have Starbucks ears...so shameful. :(
Try shooting competitively with a Colt 45 ACP. My hearing in both the high and low ranges is such that even AM radio sounds good.
I think my early days must have taken a toll on my hearing.
I listened to a Bose wave a few weeks ago and it sounded good to me. The outdoor speakers I liked were also Bose.
I have Starbucks ears...so shameful. :(
Try shooting competitively with a Colt 45 ACP. My hearing in both the high and low ranges is such that even AM radio sounds good.
Which is why a pair of these ([url]http://www.amazon.com/Caldwell-E-Max-Profile-Electronic-Muffs/dp/B001B8ONZI[/url]) go with me to the range every time.
Of course, way back in the 50's when you were shooting competitively, nobody thought about hearing protection.
sometimes I have ringing but most of the times it's more of a buzz. Add that to the migraines and yeppers, my life is fun fun fun!!
Aaron
The Brazens are on the way, who are you thinking of ordering from?
And who is [url]http://brazencoffeebrewer.com/[/url] ([url]http://brazencoffeebrewer.com/[/url]) ?
No question it'll kick my Bunn's butt, so there was nothing stopping me from pulling the trigger (esp. with four regular coffee drinkers in the house). I think Joe said the minimum was half a pot, anything less and I'd be using the Chemex anyway, this bad boy's for brewing pots not cups.
Order placed with Roastmasters along with a free 1# bag of Ethiopia Kochere roasted by Willoughby's Coffee and Tea.
According to the Brazen Manual ([url]http://www.behmor.com/docs/Brazen+Manual+version%20final%20web.pdf[/url]) you can set the brewer to make your coffee automatically in the morning. You'd have to pre-grind your coffee, of course, so I probably won't use this feature much.
According to the Brazen Manual ([url]http://www.behmor.com/docs/Brazen+Manual+version%20final%20web.pdf[/url]) you can set the brewer to make your coffee automatically in the morning. You'd have to pre-grind your coffee, of course, so I probably won't use this feature much.
I've never quite figured out why someone with expertise in coffee making would put a delayed start switch on a coffee machine? It seems as counter-intuitive as putting a governor on a Ferrari 250 GTO.
I've never quite figured out why someone with expertise in coffee making would put a delayed start switch on a coffee machine? It seems as counter-intuitive as putting a governor on a Ferrari 250 GTO.
It's more like a cupholder in a Ferrari: It's not a feature the enthusiast is likely to use but it's a 'feature' the customers demand.
I've never quite figured out why someone with expertise in coffee making would put a delayed start switch on a coffee machine? It seems as counter-intuitive as putting a governor on a Ferrari 250 GTO.
It's more like a cupholder in a Ferrari: It's not a feature the enthusiast is likely to use but it's a 'feature' the customers demand.
But would you put a pod adapter on the GS3 if you were designing it?
I might actually see using it if I were to pull a couple of shots in the morning, grind some fresh coffee, then program the brewer to make a pot of coffee for the rest of the family when they get up. I don't see the need to grind the night before and pre-program for a morning batch.
I'd have to get up earlier, though, and as it is I'm getting up and making the pot of coffee before I get ready so everyone can have their fix before they head out for the day.
How long is freshly ground coffee good for, or how long does it take for coffee sitting in a pot to get stale?
How long is freshly ground coffee good for, or how long does it take for coffee sitting in a pot to get stale?
Newbie here talking to the experts I realize...
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How long is freshly ground coffee good for, or how long does it take for coffee sitting in a pot to get stale?
Newbie here talking to the experts I realize...
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Nope, Peter is the only expert ([url]http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=expert[/url]) around these parts. ;D
Meet Gort MFers!!!!!
After calming down a bit, I went back to playing. I jumped back in with 50 grams fully coarse. The brew went fine but the coffee was weak. I then upped it to 60 grams fully coarse. About 10-15 drops came from places that they shouldn't have, and the dispersion screen was quasi-covered in coffee. The strength of the coffee is reasonable and the taste is pretty solid. But I guess the bottom line is that you can't do a strong 8 cup pot? And when I say "strong," I don't mean freakishly strong. I mean 70 grams, which is what the manufacturer recommends, "60-70g."
For the record, I'm using a Bunn G3 with new burrs
The presoak time is adjustable, but not the volume of water - unless I'm missing something.
I'm too frustrated right now to write a thoughtful response - as I burned my nether regions when I finally pulled the basket from the machine. But this was an 8 cup brew, with 70 grams of coffee, ground course. Coffee started pouring out of all of the cracks around where the basket inserts, as well as from where it was suppose to be coming from. It seems pretty obvious that the coffee bloomed up and clogged the machine. But I used the manufacturers instructions, so not too happy.
Meet Gort MFers!!!!!
This is the first time I've ever used an auto-brewer. I bought this thing to work a farmers market, cuz cleaning out french presses into buckets is no fun. I just did my first brew; it's late so it was decaf. I'm not going to comment on the cup until I can put one of my favorite coffees though it (tomorrow morning). But my initial comment is that the pre-soak uses way too much water; pretty much just like brewing.
Barry at Roastmasters - where I ordered from - said I need to make my pre-soak time longer. Right now it's at 40 seconds - which makes a lot of sense to me. But he said it needs to be in the 1:15 - 2:00 range for fresh coffee.
You should put this sticker on the machine Joe, "When all else fails, read the bleepin' instructions!"
;D
Barry at Roastmasters - where I ordered from - said I need to make my pre-soak time longer. Right now it's at 40 seconds - which makes a lot of sense to me. But he said it needs to be in the 1:15 - 2:00 range for fresh coffee.
I don't mind taking heat for my mistakes but the manual clearly states: Fresh roasts under 3 days old may benefit from a pre-soak of 1 ½ minutes, you chose to do :40 because it made sense to you but that isn't what we (designers/ mamufacturers) instruct users. These instructions are found Page 6 in Tips area, Pre-soak.
Also addressed in the manual, and how the gold filter could clog if the grind is too fine, this is found on page 4, item 2 under Brewing Instructions
Again I don't mind taking heat if I/WE/BEHMOR screw up..but to have launched at me is unfair when we try to steer users in the right direction and the directions aren't heeded.
Please read the manual..then if we are wrong take your shot and I'll accept that hit.
ps.. I've just created a short guide to assist..
The road show Gort arrived yesterday and I was able to brew one batch through the unit. The coffee came out tasting like crap, which I am quite sure was the fault of myself or the grinder I was using. I will take more time to experiment this weekend.
I do love the look of the brewer.
The road show Gort arrived yesterday and I was able to brew one batch through the unit. The coffee came out tasting like crap, which I am quite sure was the fault of myself or the grinder I was using. I will take more time to experiment this weekend.
I do love the look of the brewer.
Too late now, but I meant to ask you to pay attention to any chemical smell, particularly plastic, emanating from the machine when you opened it. My pet peeve with stuff imported from Asia are the lubricants/release agents used in manufacturing.
Not that I've heard anything bad about this machine, just cautious in general.
The road show Gort arrived yesterday and I was able to brew one batch through the unit. The coffee came out tasting like crap, which I am quite sure was the fault of myself or the grinder I was using. I will take more time to experiment this weekend.
I do love the look of the brewer.
Too late now, but I meant to ask you to pay attention to any chemical smell, particularly plastic, emanating from the machine when you opened it. My pet peeve with stuff imported from Asia are the lubricants/release agents used in manufacturing.
Not that I've heard anything bad about this machine, just cautious in general.
The road show Gort arrived yesterday and I was able to brew one batch through the unit. The coffee came out tasting like crap, which I am quite sure was the fault of myself or the grinder I was using. I will take more time to experiment this weekend.
I do love the look of the brewer.
Too late now, but I meant to ask you to pay attention to any chemical smell, particularly plastic, emanating from the machine when you opened it. My pet peeve with stuff imported from Asia are the lubricants/release agents used in manufacturing.
Not that I've heard anything bad about this machine, just cautious in general.
No, nothing like that. Just a very bitter cup of coffee.
Bitter at 204. Acceptable at 200. I guess I am going to have to still warm the cups.
Bitter at 204. Acceptable at 200. I guess I am going to have to still warm the cups.
Try 202.. you'll get a small drop in temp to the grounds but still a very hot brew
Bitter at 204. Acceptable at 200. I guess I am going to have to still warm the cups.
Try 202.. you'll get a small drop in temp to the grounds but still a very hot brew
I imagine it's the same as making espresso: Too bitter, drop the temp. Too sour, raise the temp? How about roast levels; with espresso the rule of thumb is darker roasts need lower temps and vice-versa.
I'm pretty sure the grind was the culprit. I think it was too fine.Definitely coarsen up the grind a lot. When doing a 4 minute plus extraction, it is very easy to overextract, but you know that. ;) Also when doing a 4 minute extraction you get more hemi cellulose hydrolysis. This produces more reducing sugars, primarily xylose, which is not sweet (as most sugars are not sweet), but lends a silkier, creamier mouthfeel.
For this mornings offerings I upped the dose to 73 grams. And found NO issue with a blooming. I can hardly wait to get a nice thick buttery roast coffee into the Brazen.I'm pretty sure the grind was the culprit. I think it was too fine.No problems whatsoever with too large a bloom. All coffee was delicious.
Thanks Joe! I really like this brewer!!!
Agreed on all points. I did turn the lid vertical and shake off the excess over the sink, no real issue.
You don't want a battery. Too many disposal/RoHS/replacement issues, saving the config is perfect.
Agreed on all points. I did turn the lid vertical and shake off the excess over the sink, no real issue.
You don't want a battery. Too many disposal/RoHS/replacement issues, saving the config is perfect.
No battery is OK, but a 12 VDC model would really be useful for RV or boat owners.
Agreed on all points. I did turn the lid vertical and shake off the excess over the sink, no real issue.
You don't want a battery. Too many disposal/RoHS/replacement issues, saving the config is perfect.
No battery is OK, but a 12 VDC model would really be useful for RV or boat owners.
A tiny slice of an already small market, ROI on that.......never
Had two great cups of the Greenway Coffee Rwanda Dukunde Kawa last night from my first batch in the Brazen documented above. ...
Do you think they can manage? ;)
Do you think they can manage? ;)
I am amazed at the difficulties some face in making coffee. I bought my fiancée a Clever thinking that it would be the easiest pourover for her. I am the only one that has ever used it. I got the Brazen for her and walked her thru the operation of it twice. Yet when I got out of bed this morning, 45 minutes after her, the first thing out of her mouth was, "will you make a pot of coffee." It is crazy how intimidating coffee paraphernalia can be to some.
Do you think they can manage? ;)
I am amazed at the difficulties some face in making coffee. I bought my fiancée a Clever thinking that it would be the easiest pourover for her. I am the only one that has ever used it. I got the Brazen for her and walked her thru the operation of it twice. Yet when I got out of bed this morning, 45 minutes after her, the first thing out of her mouth was, "will you make a pot of coffee." It is crazy how intimidating coffee paraphernalia can be to some.
She is training you Eric. Never underestimate the wiles of a woman.
BTW, your killer espresso blend(s) left today.
She actually made coffee this morning, with some minor coaching. I commented that it was really not that difficult. She said, "You have no idea how groggy I am in the morning." I hate to do this, but the only way it looks like this will work is if show her how to use the timer. I guess it is still an upgrade from her stained Mr. Coffee.
I have no interest in drinking coffee that was ground eight hours ago and I was wondering: Has anyone done a 4 cup batch using normal brewing with the carafe? If so, what were your results?
Set temp 202 at 400ft elevation.
36 grams and water to the calibration line.
I dropped the pre soak time from 2:30 down to 1 min.
Excellent cup
Set temp 202 at 400ft elevation.
36 grams and water to the calibration line.
I dropped the pre soak time from 2:30 down to 1 min.
Excellent cup
This has been working well for me when I just want a few cups.
Who reads manuals?Set temp 202 at 400ft elevation.
36 grams and water to the calibration line.
I dropped the pre soak time from 2:30 down to 1 min.
Excellent cup
This has been working well for me when I just want a few cups.
Thanks for digging this up. I missed it the first time around. I think the fiancée will get her four cups set up the night before and I will either make a fresh pot or a V60 when I get up. I was just curious because the manual suggests a minimum of six cups unless using manual release.
So dudes and dudettes, this is the drip machine to end all drip machines?
My only auto brew machine is a MokaBrew, so if anyone has comments on comparing the BraZen to the MB, bring 'em on. Of course I haven't even used the MB for a few years, so I'm probably not in the market or mood for a new auto dripper, but it is the comparison I would be interested in.
Susan
I have no interest in drinking coffee that was ground eight hours ago...
BTW, your killer espresso blend(s) left today.
This morning I brewed 50 grams of Greenway Coffee Rwanda Dukunde Kawa with 900 ml of 200°F water and 45 second pre-soak. I enjoyed two cups this morning with my flax seed topped wheat bread, very nice cup with hibiscus notes.
I've brewed most of my pots at 202°F, but 200 worked out pretty well today. I'm going to poke around in that direction for a bit.
Every pot I've made in the Brazen has been finished before I left for work. When I made the same volume of coffee in the Bunn, there'd usually be leftovers to clean up when I got home. I'm also thinking one of the issues I have with the Bunn BTX is the temperature deadband. It holds the reservoir at temp, ready to brew, but cycles through a temperature range and some days I'd brew a good pot in the Bunn and others was just a miss, probably because of the difference in brew temps. They've all been good in the Brazen so far. I found what JW had to say about temperature in the Canadian Traveling roadshow thread interesting:
This week I've done 20 or 21 pots through the Brazen. I decided right off the bat that 204 was a bit too high for me after 2 pots of washed centrals. I've been doing the washed centrals at 202F (mostly). Most Africans (washed) I've been doing at 200F. Naturals at 199F. Seems to work well for me, although I really doubt this thing can make a bad cup( if the coffee is good).
I love this brewer. To get anything close with the Technivorm I have to fiddle with it by closing and opening the the basket thingy then stirring with a chopstick a few times during the brew cycle, with GORT Grind, Fill and Go. At 4am boring is a good thing ;D . I use the gold filter only I am not giving up the wonderful oil slick on the top of the cup. My wife is using the filters to dry tomato seeds on ;) .
GORT the brewer of a different color for sure.
I love this brewer. To get anything close with the Technivorm I have to fiddle with it by closing and opening the the basket thingy then stirring with a chopstick a few times during the brew cycle, with GORT Grind, Fill and Go. At 4am boring is a good thing ;D . I use the gold filter only I am not giving up the wonderful oil slick on the top of the cup. My wife is using the filters to dry tomato seeds on ;) .
GORT the brewer of a different color for sure.
And you're not finding the 8 cup brew size inconvenient at all? When I bother with drip at all I usually have a group to make coffee for and even the 10 cup TV is limiting.
One thing I like about TV is the simplicity of making a 2nd or 3rd pot. Is the BraZen as easy to take apart?
I love this brewer. To get anything close with the Technivorm I have to fiddle with it by closing and opening the the basket thingy then stirring with a chopstick a few times during the brew cycle, with GORT Grind, Fill and Go. At 4am boring is a good thing ;D . I use the gold filter only I am not giving up the wonderful oil slick on the top of the cup. My wife is using the filters to dry tomato seeds on ;) .
GORT the brewer of a different color for sure.
And you're not finding the 8 cup brew size inconvenient at all? When I bother with drip at all I usually have a group to make coffee for and even the 10 cup TV is limiting.
One thing I like about TV is the simplicity of making a 2nd or 3rd pot. Is the BraZen as easy to take apart?
For the two of us the 8 cup works fine 10 cup would have been better. With TV glass carafe on the low heat setting the last cup normally got dumped and a new pot made anyway.
Cleans up is very easy. Not sure what you mean by taking it apart (still to new for that ;) ). Basket slides in or out pour in the water your done ;)
You should have taken your turns Tex. I drink a lot of drip coffee this machine Blows them all out of the water
It's not my part to enlighten you Eric.
Don't worry - you didn't accomplish it, not even by accident.
As for costing more, Behmor II could cost Hottop money, maybe even a bit more - the name is already established in our community and that has value. If I go from a Rancilio or Gaggia to a Quick Mill or Alex espresso machine, I expect that advanced capabilities will carry additional costs.
Maybe the market for premium home roasters is met fully by Hottop and Gene Cafe already. I know I wanted a Behmor (V. 1) enough that I passed on the sub $200 home roasters and was saving towards $300 for a new roaster when Dan Brewer offered his Behmor for sale here which I bought.
After using it and trying the methods found on familiar web sites, I find it to be functional but missing some of that user input that makes a hobby more fun. I know several people who own a Behmor as well. Being able to add some heat at a critical point of the roast (30 second Turbo mode maybe?) would solve the baked beans dilemma that happens on occasion. Other friends of mine in the area use Hottop roasters while others use something else entirely.
My view of the market isn't the big picture, but it is part of the picture. I appreciate your comments more Peter when you respect that.
I haven't tested out the timer feature to know if it works or not.
In regards to amounts, I am using the amount suggested on page 5 of the manual under "Brewing Instructions" where it says "Use 8-10 tablespoons (2 oz) for a full pot."
Good to see that your priorities are in the right place! You probably even have time for a sour or two.
Would you suggest this to a friend? No.
Would you buy this product again? No.
As far as the unit goes, the lid comes off easily, the screen has been completely cleaned. I think I will do a full clean on everything again and see if that will solve the problem. I guess I should ask: What is the longevity of an electric coffee brewer? This is the first one I have ever owned.