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Coffee Discussion boards => Hardware & Equipment => Topic started by: Kimbalabala on May 03, 2015, 11:10:54 AM
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I've been using my popcorn popper for 6+ months now so it has officially gone from a 'flash fad' to a 'habit'. Initially it was taking me about 12 minutes to roast a couple of ounces of coffee and now I'm up to 20 minutes for a medium dark roast. Assuming I have a budget for either a Behmor 1600 or a Gene Cafe, what do you all recommend? Please resist the urge to tell me and/or my husband to build something because we're both too busy - most nights I don't get home until 9 - and some days I start teaching at 8 a.m. - so honestly, there is no time if we are to keep our sanity. My roasting time has provided some 'down time' that I can't be going-going-going - but it's too much time for too little finished product.
I know that there are discussions elsewhere in the forums but some of it is more technical than I can understand and some of it is outdated and ... I'm lazy (please don't lambast me for that!!!)
Thanks in advance.
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Hi, I've been using my Behmor every week now for 4 months now. It is my first roaster and I'm very happy with how easy it is to use and how the finished product tastes. I started out being very technical, graphs for just about every thing and anything that ooccurs during the roast. I've graduated to not keeping track of anything now that ive "dialed" in my preferences and have figured out what 1st crack is and how long after do I want to pull the beans to cool. The machine has a great smoke suppression system as my wife will tell you. The only thingI don't let the machine do automatically is cool the beans. I pull them and coolthem down very quicklywith the use of a shop vac, 5 gal bucket and a colander. That is not to say the machine can't be manually operated for a more customized roast. All in all I would highly recommend the Behmor. Easy to use and clean and not hard on the pocket book IMHO. A word of warning though, this is not a set and walk away process, my wife hates small kitchen fires. 😁
Good luck and have fun!
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rcmitchell has given good advice for someone in your described position. I have had two Behmor roasters, several smaller versions of roasters, two Sonofresco roasters and now a commercial 1.5K roaster. For a person in your position rcmichell hit the nail on the head. The new Behmor has a managed roast or a pre set profiles roast. You can be as anal or as lazy ass you want. I would only add that the Behmor does 12 ounces on a 1# setting nicely. One pound is a bit too much IMHO.
Welcome to the rabbit hole and HAVE FUN!!! :)
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Thank you both - this is great information. I like the 'look' of the Behmor better as well. My husband's question is ... how long can we expect it to last? Based on roasting only enough coffee for us to have two cups (one each) per day, and then more for special occasions and Christmas gifts. I know that's a bit of a Magic 8 Ball question, but can I expect it to last several years - 5 - 10? Thanks again. :D
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My first Behmor lasted 5-6 years and I replaced the board once and I sold it. I've had my second Behmor about 4 years and still use it to roast samples. At the rate you are going to use it I believe you'd get 5 plus years with no problem. Keep it clean by removing all chaff after each use. Use simple green after every 5-6 roasts to keep it clean and don't do roast after roast on the same day. It should give you many years of happiness! :)
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Ok. Now I'm going to throw you for a loop. My husband says ... what about the Hottop? I know it's a lot more expensive, but would I get that many more years out of it and would the roasting quality be noticeable to me? Am I crazy for even considering it, with the little amount of coffee we drink - or is this the direction I'm headed anyway and I'll just be getting there without first buying a different roaster between now and the inevitable end?
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I just built and am sending you an imaginary SC/TO.
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I have never roasted on a hottop. I know several folks here who have them and speak very highly of them.... Good luck with your decision.
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LOL Peter! I went to sweetmarias and did some reading and it looks like the HotTop produces a lot of smoke - and we don't have any existing good ventilation so I'm back to the Behmor or Gene.
Thank you all for your patience and input. I really have fallen down the rabbit hole and this is much better than some other habits I could have picked up. ;)
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The Behmor produces a decent amount of smoke as well. the batch size has more to do with it than the roaster. I was forbidden to use the Behmor inside..
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I just built and am sending you an imaginary SC/TO.
Word.
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As Jim pointed out, the Behmor does a very nice 12 oz. roast on the 16 oz. setting. I have not tried an actual 16 oz. roast based on comments here and on other boards. As far as smoke, maybe I've been lucky but I truly have not noticed any smoke to speak of. As for as the HotTop, I'll let those "in the know" pontificate the benefits of this system.
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Ok. Now I'm going to throw you for a loop. My husband says ... what about the Hottop? I know it's a lot more expensive, but would I get that many more years out of it and would the roasting quality be noticeable to me?
I started with the Behmor and learned a LOT in the first two years. My routine was to roast three coffees each week (12-13 ounces each). It was great to roast my own coffee, but I couldn't match results from Intelligentsia, Klatch, Counter Culture and Batdorf & Bronson.
There were certain coffees that I wasn't excited about (some Ethiopians, Colombia and Costa Rica) - especially based on reading what others were saying about their roasts. This was about 40% of my total coffees, which was frustrating to me. I am a fanatic about roasting logs and taking notes (http://www.greencoffeebuyingclub.com/index.php?topic=16193.msg261261#msg261261). I had some coffees where the roast would be great one time, then not so the next time around. Eventually I felt that I could no longer improve my roasts on the Behmor.
I decided to save my $$$, and moved up to the Hottop. I immediately noticed better results on those coffees where my Behmor results were "so-so". There was about a six month learning curve, but most of my knowledge from the Behmor came in handy. I'm now at the three year mark on the Hottop, and I am still loving the results. Not sure if I will ever "need" another roaster, but they continue to improve, and get more expensive.
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I just built and am sending you an imaginary SC/TO.
+1
Every roaster has its limitations. Some try to limit the options to keep it simple for the user, such as the Behmor.
I am convinced that the SC/To approach is the most cost-effective route for roasting coffee. But it requires a fair amount of DIY / hackery, which did not appeal to me.
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I am convinced that the SC/To approach is the most cost-effective route for roasting coffee.
I bet the gas grill can bat in that league. Maybe depending on cost accounting - if you'd use the grill for other things anyway, can you write it off? How much does electricity cost, vs. propane, per lb of roasted coffee? Etc.
I bought a drum via mail order and a rotisserie spit at Sears, something like $120 total; the grill was a yard sale thing for $20. I usually roast a pound (finish weight), with usually satisfactory results. This is of course an outdoors only option. The rotisserie spit came with a motor, but it's useless. I turn it by hand.
I've also tried heat gun and steel bowl, in fact may be reduced to that this afternoon if it doesn't stop raining. I've noticed though that former champions of this once popular method seem to have moved on. I don't get very good results.
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Unless something dramatic happens in the next few minutes I'm going to order the Behmor. Decision is based on 'less' smoke (if not 'no' smoke) and price. I may graduate up to something different in a couple of years, but right now I need something that will hopefully be easier and less time-consuming. I had to drink a cup of Keurig this morning because I haven't had any time to roast beans and it wasn't pretty. It wasn't horrible, but not good ... and it wasn't 'mine'.
Thanks again for all the input. I'll let you know how I fare with it. :D
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... I had to drink a cup of Keurig this morning because I haven't had any time to roast beans...
That's no way to live. Get that thing ordered pronto!
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Behmors do make smoke, regardless. Less of it, I believe, but still smoke. I roast out on my closed in porch, so a Hottop may be what I get next.
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I went from a modified air popcorn popper (Poplite) to a Huky. They aren't the cheapest option out there, but they are quite awesome. At least I think so.
I've had mine about two months now, and loving it still. I can't wait to get out some beans and start roasting.
-Mike
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I started roasting with a Gene Cafe and I found that it wasn't able to keep up with my weekly demands, without roasting multiple times a week. I bought my first Behmor from a club member (Susan) and have absolutely loved it. I stepped up to a Sonofresco (thanks Jim), but still have a Behmor to roast smaller batches. Would definitely recommend you go with the Behmor. Good luck!
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I bought a used tosta caffe on eBay.it for 50$. It's a 4lb carbon steel drum with a base, I use it on my Coleman stove, really great, and since it's unventilated drum, the coffee is about as different from a popper as can be.
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Interesting. I looked that up and found something a little more elaborate, the Tostabar Genius https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w8ExJB8S76M (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w8ExJB8S76M). I guess tosta caffè simply means "coffee roaster." Does yours provide any way to stir the beans?
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That Toastabar looks like it would go in a movie theater next to the popcorn machine.
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Interesting. I looked that up and found something a little more elaborate, the Tostabar Genius https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w8ExJB8S76M (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w8ExJB8S76M). I guess tosta caffè simply means "coffee roaster." Does yours provide any way to stir the beans?
It's awesome....I kinda want one. The music and the italian narration lend to instant awesome.