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Coffee Discussion boards => Hardware & Equipment => Topic started by: mattquist on April 05, 2009, 02:53:58 PM
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I've got a line on this at a good price, but the seller knows nothing about it, and I really don't want to drive 2 hours to find out i'm not interested. Anyone know what it is? I think it's 2 group, Expobar, maybe?
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It's got to be labeled somewhere! Offhand I'd say a Spanish machine - maybe Expobar?
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The guy doesn't seem to have a clue, but did say it was made in Spain. Could I assume that it most likely is 220V and requires a water line at the least?
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Both are good assumptions. Why can't the seller take pictures of the labels? Something fishy is going on here...
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I think he's repo'd it from a business that's gone under & he doesn't know what he's got. I'm interested mostly in the grinder that he also is selling, but it's a package deal. I'm not real familiar with the espresso machines (have a gaggia espresso, but that's nothing to be real proud of). Thought this might be a significant upgrade for me. Then again if it's 220, i'm probably out.
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I don't recall ever seeing a 2-group machine that wasn't at least 220v. But, I had 220 added to my kitchen and it only cost a few hundred for the electrician to do it. You'd have a kick a$$ machine!
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mattquist ... why don't you ask the guy to go to the machine like Tex suggested and take pictures of the label. It should say who the manufacturer is and the model number. The possibilities are just to great to guess ... unless one has got the same one and they can immediately tell you what it is. If it is a 2 group machine it probably has a big boiler and can handle big volumes with lots of steam power. It most probably make a "kick ass" espresso machine.
:)
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The upgrade to 220v in your kitchen is not lots of $... unless your breaker panel is on the other end of the mansion, and he needs to run a new conduit the whole way. or your wiring is romax and the basement ceiling is drywall... :) most kitchens are a dedicated circuit so he may be able to sneak two new wires into your existing conduit and turn one outlet into a 220v
maybe it is worth getting to pass on the deal to a member here... assuming the power in your kitchen is a show stopper
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Ok Guys. I got a chance to look at it. I'm pretty sure that it's an Expobar. Both the machine and the Grinder (Cunill) look pretty used, and my guess by the smell of them they came from a restaurant/bar. Probably would make someone a really nice hardcore machine, but it's just too much for my needs. There's some pics attached. If it's something that someone's interested in, let me know.
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Yeah ... that would make someone an awesome setup. Like you I decided not to go the commercial route due to the plumb in and size of the machine. I decided to go the prosumer route instead. How much does he want for the package deal? Maybe you can take both and sell the machine to someone who is willing to undertake the task.
:)
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From what I can make out of the label - gas? Looks like the left side is a table of gas regulation parameters for LPG ("GLP"), natural gas and "ciudad" (appears to be another name for natural gas.)
Mine is a 220v that's equipped for gas, but it's a lever/piston machine, and the boiler is pretty huge, so you could go for a while with no electricity. If you're really tied to that 220v line, I wonder why you'd bother with gas.
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a Propane boiler?........wouldn't that rock for a flea market or camping set up! Imagine going camping and breaking that baby out.... you'd have every camper within 2 miles wanting a latte!
I'd buy it if it was propane.... just for the novelty of it....
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a Propane boiler?........wouldn't that rock for a flea market or camping set up! Imagine going camping and breaking that baby out.... you'd have every camper within 2 miles wanting a latte!
I'd buy it if it was propane.... just for the novelty of it....
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Don't do it Milo ... it will set your progress further behind on the MiloWidget.
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Sorry guys. It's not a gas fired boiler. It's 220v electric, 2500Watt. I believe that the label is just a generic label that's place on multiple pieces of equipment.
Hell of a deal on this guys...I think I can pick it up for someone for under $250 with the grinder, if there's any interest.
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Hell of a deal on this guys...I think I can pick it up for someone for under $250 with the grinder, if there's any interest.
Hmm ... may be worth that just for the grinder.
:)
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I thought about that, and seriously considered it. Just not pretty enough for display in the kitchen. I've had a hard enough time selling my cirrent Mazzer to the Mrs. (she doesn't drink the bean, and just doesn't understand). But if I had one of those basement bars and some expertise on fixing it up, I'd jump on it. Would also make a great farmer's market stand setup too.
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Oh man, oh man, oh man... That is tempting!
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Where is it?
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It is local to mattquist ... I assume it is southwest Florida.
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Yep. It's down here. If someone wants it, I'll try and work with them to get it shipped (see what a nice guy I am?)
OR....You ship me your current unit, and I'll buy this one and the grinder, and ship them to you for free! Always trying to work a deal, besides, you really don't need 2 espresso machines, do you? ;D
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Yep. It's down here. If someone wants it, I'll try and work with them to get it shipped (see what a nice guy I am?)
OR....You ship me your current unit, and I'll buy this one and the grinder, and ship them to you for free! Always trying to work a deal, besides, you really don't need 2 espresso machines, do you? ;D
Yeah ... that is the only thing when you get into 100 plus pound espress machines and 30 pound espresso grinders ... shipping is a killer.
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True. But for the cost of shipping is ~150, it's still a great deal for someone who is looking for a commercial fixer-upper. And with luck, I'm hooked up with something nice for my kitchen counter.
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$250 for both... where do I send the check?
So what are you looking for in a Grinder? Small or Commercial?
I have 2 commercial grinders, a Santos (http://www.greencoffeebuyingclub.com/index.php?topic=4854.0) (very quiet Italian grinder) and a Rossi (http://www.greencoffeebuyingclub.com/index.php?topic=3470.msg47855#msg47855)....
Both in great shape.
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Actually, I'm pretty good on the grinder side. My Mazzer does a decent job. Where I'm lacking is on the Machine side. Got one of those to trade? Now that I looked at the links Milow has I'm thinking about just rebuilding it like his Brasilia project. But then I'd have to install it in my shop, and not in the kitchen. Decisions, Decisions. Maybe put it in the firehouse....
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Hmm ... may be worth that just for the grinder.
Is that a Cunill Brasil? $320 new from Sovrana?
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Hmm ... may be worth that just for the grinder.
Is that a Cunill Brasil? $320 new from Sovrana?
A 2 group commercial machine for $320?
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Thanks for all of your help, I decided to buy it & negotiated it for $200 for the Cunill Brazil grinder AND the Expobar 2 group machine. I just feel like it's a deal that I can't let get away. Actually, it was Milow's post-link that inspired me to try and do an overhaul (his Brasilla post). I know it's going to need work, and it means that it will be installed in my roast shop, at least for now. Will need to run 220 and water (temp install for now), and as long as I don't electrocute myself or cause a flood I should be in business. Maybe after the rebuild is finished, and if it cleans up nicely, I'll be able to move it into the kitchen. Same goes for the Cunill.
I know that this is going to be a project that's over my head, I have no experience in, no manual, and not a clue, but I'm figuring that there's plenty of good advice floating here to help me through it. Once I get the A/C and H2O plumbed, I plan on starting a rebuild thread to track it's progress.
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Thanks for all of your help, I decided to buy it & negotiated it for $200 for the Cunill Brazil grinder AND the Expobar 2 group machine. I just feel like it's a deal that I can't let get away. Actually, it was Milow's post-link that inspired me to try and do an overhaul (his Brasilla post). I know it's going to need work, and it means that it will be installed in my roast shop, at least for now. Will need to run 220 and water (temp install for now), and as long as I don't electrocute myself or cause a flood I should be in business. Maybe after the rebuild is finished, and if it cleans up nicely, I'll be able to move it into the kitchen. Same goes for the Cunill.
I know that this is going to be a project that's over my head, I have no experience in, no manual, and not a clue, but I'm figuring that there's plenty of good advice floating here to help me through it. Once I get the A/C and H2O plumbed, I plan on starting a rebuild thread to track it's progress.
I envy you... that, for me, would be like re-building an old car... I suspect that machine will make a good one to learn on... but I know about as much as you so I am looking forward to reading about it...
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Actually, I'm pretty good on the grinder side. My Mazzer does a decent job. Where I'm lacking is on the Machine side. Got one of those to trade? Now that I looked at the links Milow has I'm thinking about just rebuilding it like his Brasilia project. But then I'd have to install it in my shop, and not in the kitchen. Decisions, Decisions. Maybe put it in the firehouse....
I've got a Nuova Simonelli Personal 1-group 220VAC and maybe a Bunn ES-1A/Furturemat Milady 1-group 110VAC. Whatcha got for swap bait? 8)
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Thanks for all of your help, I decided to buy it & negotiated it for $200 for the Cunill Brazil grinder AND the Expobar 2 group machine. I just feel like it's a deal that I can't let get away. Actually, it was Milow's post-link that inspired me to try and do an overhaul (his Brasilla post). I know it's going to need work, and it means that it will be installed in my roast shop, at least for now. Will need to run 220 and water (temp install for now), and as long as I don't electrocute myself or cause a flood I should be in business. Maybe after the rebuild is finished, and if it cleans up nicely, I'll be able to move it into the kitchen. Same goes for the Cunill.
I know that this is going to be a project that's over my head, I have no experience in, no manual, and not a clue, but I'm figuring that there's plenty of good advice floating here to help me through it. Once I get the A/C and H2O plumbed, I plan on starting a rebuild thread to track it's progress.
The commercial machines are a piece of cake to work on, and as long as the brain box works there's nothing very expensive to repair. Too bad it's not a Quality Espresso machine - we could fit you into the BUG group where there's lots of expert help available.
An alternative to plumbing it in, at least until you figure out where it'll be permanently placed, is to use a FloJet (http://cgi.ebay.com/Flojet-Bottled-5-Gallon-Water-Dispenser-System-NEW_W0QQitemZ270358228195QQcmdZViewItemQQimsxZ20090314?IMSfp=TL090314122004r2731) pump & water bottles for fresh & waste water. A lot of us use this water softener (http://www.chriscoffee.com/products/home/plumbing/softenersystem) when we plumb the machines.
Good luck!
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I have no experience in, no manual, and not a clue, but I'm figuring that there's plenty of good advice floating here to help me through it. Once I get the A/C and H2O plumbed, I plan on starting a rebuild thread to track it's progress.
Bravo!! I think you will enjoy the ride! Not only that if you rebuild it you will be able to service it, repair it, etc. in the future.
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UPDATE:
I picked up the machine and grinder for $200, and did a tear-down and clean of the grinder. Everything works as it's supposed to, with the exception of missing one of the rubber feet on the bottom (will order a new one with parts for the 'presso machine), and some marks around the doser lid from what looks like where an idiot tried to pry the lid off with a screwdriver. cleaned it up as best I could, and am pretty happy.
As for the machine, It's definitely a Crem Compact 2 (Expobar), with a 6Liter boiler. Not as bad of shape as I feared, and am going to try and fire it up once I run a 220 line to my workshop. I plan on doing a teardown/rebuild seperate post here, but wanted to also post a better pic for now.
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Does that have a gas burner also? If so I'd hook it up to a natural gas line & run it that way. Cool looking rig - pull me a double.
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Does that have a gas burner also? If so I'd hook it up to a natural gas line & run it that way. Cool looking rig - pull me a double.
Nope. Just Electric.