Now that makes sense, I found a VPR at a Appliance store that he is willing to let go for $50.00 Bucks, used but looked very clean. He assured me that it worked great. If I had a problem I think they are repairable. The Wife would probably make me set it up in the garage, she wouldn't like the looks of it for the Kitchen. This has no Carafe or air pot, for this price easy to find on the web. Thanks for your input Rich