Brewers that operate at 195-205 F

[Pyment]

this deserves its own thread.

we can compile a list of GCBC approved brewers. I don't want to do espresso machines here I'll maintain the list counting on my fellow GCBC'ers to put their comments in this thread.



GCBC approved

drip over $200
Cafejo
Technivorm
Bunn VPR-APS Air Pot Brewer

drip over $100
Newco OCS-(unavailable)
Bunn CW15-APS Airpot brewer

Drip Under $100

Cuisinart DCC-1200
Presto scandinavian (discontinued)
Melitta Clarity (discontinued)


Non Drip
Vac pot (Classic - out of production models)
Bodum Santos
Cona
pour over
Chemex
Balance brewer


Have at it folks.

[Tex]

this deserves its own thread.

we can compile a list of GCBC approved roasters. I'll maintain the list counting on my fellow GCBC'ers to put their comments in this thread.



GCBC approved
Technivorm CP
Newco OCS NP
Presto scandinavian NP



Have at it folks.

Maybe differentiate between current production models and those that aren't? And priced above or below $150?

Melitta Clarity NP, <$150, is still known as the "Poor man's Techivorm."

[John F]

Don't get mad....

 

[peter]

Don't get mad....

 

You should be reported to the admins, you troublemaker!  Oh yeah, for you that's a compliment.  Pyment, get your atomic bomblaster emoticons ready...

[Tex]

Don't get mad....

 

[Pyment]

I fully expected someone to bring up non drip methods. I just wasn't sure how to list them and wanted to think it over a bit.

I am not sure if I should include French Press. It does take a certain amount of skill to keep the temp right.

[Tex]

Bunn VPR-APS Air Pot Brewer - $199 @ Costco.com

[Tex]

I am not sure if I should include French Press. It does take a certain amount of skill to keep the temp right.

All of them do - how do we know JohnF's water is really at 196?F when he pours into the Melitta funnel?

[John F]

Any of them do - how do we know JohnF's water is really at 196?F when he pours into the Melitta funnel?

How do you know it's 196 in a Technivorm? 

[John F]

Oh yeah, for you that's a compliment. 

It's the age old scorpion and frog thing..... 

A wise 80's sage with a big blond spiral perm wig said it best. "I am I'm Me"

[milowebailey]

Let's try this thread.....

You know I've never tested mine before....

Cuisinart DCC-1200

so I measure it today.

so based on a 12 cup pot

1st 2 cups 180 - 186
2nd 2 cups 186 - 193
3rd 2 cups 193 - 196
4th 2 cups 193 - 196
5th 2 cups 194 - 198
6th 2 cups 195 - 201

It seems it tries to keep it at about 200 degrees, but takes a while to warm things up.

Not bad... for $59 at costco a few years ago.  And they do make a thermal pot version too.

I do have 2 more of these... I'll test them too.  Bought at different times.

EDIT:  Ok, I tested #2 and it had very similar results... peaking at 206 degrees.

so I decided to see if running a pot of water through the brewer first made and difference....

It did..

once the brewer is up to temp.... 190+ degree water... normally around 195.  I'm guessing that's their design point, and since the water flows out in bursts... the temp of the water itself is probably 195.

If I get too bored the next few days I'll put the Milowidget on it and plot the temperature vs time.

[John F]

Cuisinart DCC-1200

This is what I drink coffee from when I'm at my Bro in laws house.

If you do more testing I'd be interested to know what the start temps are on the second pot.

I think 195avg for that machine is fair but the first 4-5 cups are coming in really low. I don't like those initial numbers but If running a blank pot of water brings the initial brew temps up that would be a really easy thing to do (when I'm over there). 

I don't think he will worry about it on a day to day basis but if you find it helps I'll run a blank pot of water for sure.

[7over]

WOoooHOOooo!!!!!

Cuisinart DCC-1200

so I measure it today.

so based on a 12 cup pot

1st 2 cups 180 - 186
2nd 2 cups 186 - 193
3rd 2 cups 193 - 196
4th 2 cups 193 - 196
5th 2 cups 194 - 198
6th 2 cups 195 - 201

This is exactly the kind of information I'm looking for! Adding 'brew time' for 10 and 12 cup pots would also be very very beneficial.
Having this data for electric drip brewers will help me direct my customers to the brewers that will best show off my beans. I'm not interested in models that are out of production since they are not readily purchasable by my customers. Since most of them are as interested in 'ease of use' as they are in an excellent cup of coffee, electric drip machines are what most of them are using. They are not going to use a manual pour-over or vac pot or press pot for the coffee they're running out the door before work with.

Now, we just need to build up a database of this information and then develop a GCBC Seal. ...

[thejavaman]

HERE'S A LINK to a few coffee makers that supposedly brew in the optimal temperature range and a description of each of them.  I have a Braun AromaDeluxe KF510 at work and while I don't think it quite reaches the optimal temperature range (I've never measured it), it does produce a good, hot cup of coffee without breaking the bank.

[milowebailey]

HERE'S A LINK to a few coffee makers that supposedly brew in the optimal temperature range and a description of each of them.  I have a Braun AromaDeluxe KF510 at work and while I don't think it quite reaches the optimal temperature range (I've never measured it), it does produce a good, hot cup of coffee without breaking the bank.

Good link, my friend!

The Cuisinart Brew Central DCC-1200................is one of the small number of home machines that can brew at the optimal temperature of 200 degrees Fahrenheit.

and my data does show it is doing that.... sort of.  It does get up there once the internal parts that touch the hot water get up to temperature.   I'd suggest running 1/2 pot of water through it before the 1st pot of the day.... sort of pre-heat the plastic.

I still plan to plot the temperature over time using a datalogger for 3 pots in a row and see the curves.  The tricky part to measuring the water temperature is that in this type of machine the water comes out in spurts... so when the water is not spurting the temperature measurement is of the ambient temperature where it's being measured. 

After yesterday's experiments I will now pre-heat the coffee maker before the 1st pot... now I know why I seemed to like the second pot coffee better than the 1st.